CNN Video: Safety Rule Could Create Pilot Shortage

That kid shouldn't be flying at all period. He possesses the macho hazardous attitude to the nth degree. He'd wet himself over a simple caution warning message on a CRJ I'm sure. Or taking an airplane with more than 1 thing MELd.
 
jrh said:
As you already pointed out, there is huge variation amongst instructors. CFI's who get stuck in the "bubble" of teaching at big cookie cutter programs like Riddle or UND probably do miss out on a lot of the decision making skills they'll need later in their career.

Personally, after doing various flying jobs to this point in my career, I'd say "airline pilot" is on the easier side of the spectrum. From a judgement perspective, I was very ready to make the jump from teaching to airline flying. The standardization, support from other sources (maintenance, dispatch, FOs, etc.), capability of the equipment (speed, range, power, avionics, redundancy), etc. are the best I've ever had. I don't have to think about things nearly as much as I used to. I feel like my PIC judgement is less needed on a day to day basis now than it was when I was teaching every day.

Or maybe that's because I'm so awesome now and forget what it feels like to be challenged. I don't know.
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I'd agree with all of this. The ONLY experience I received at UND was customer service(useful in the corporate world), avoiding thunderstorms, avoiding icing, and high winds. No icing, high density altitude, mountain or very much actual IMC, no busy airspace(though GFK is RIDICULOUS, ATC does an absolutely fantastic job there). FULL fuel every time. Cross countries between 250-300nm. Pretty worthless in my book. Again relatively speaking and I'm only speaking for UND. Seeing as how thousands have gone from UND to a regional, it all appears fine. I just don't think the cockpit of a passenger carrying airplane is the time or place to be learning things. As someone pointed out, the "soft skills" will affect your ADM skills as well. A very experienced pilot that's thinks he's god's gift to aviation is probably worse.
 
Soul Brotha' said:
I agree with everyone here, but c'mon man! We all had that itch to get ahead in the game too.
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And there it is. So, what are you, personally, going to do about it? Education is good, but it's not enough. Unionism is good, but it's also not enough. If it's going to change from "I want to get ahead, screw you" and "I've gotten ahead, screw you", everyone has to participate. How do you want to participate?
 
One thing people forget is you still need to know how to fly the jet without the magic. And that comes from knowing how to fly. You can still go with no autopilot, no FMC, and no flight director. Check the MEL. The new rules forces newbs to have more flying experience before they start acting as a 121 crewmember. That's a good thing.
 
Boris Badenov said:
And there it is. So, what are you, personally, going to do about it? Education is good, but it's not enough. Unionism is good, but it's also not enough. If it's going to change from "I want to get ahead, screw you" and "I've gotten ahead, screw you", everyone has to participate. How do you want to participate?
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Participation is part of it. Problem with pilots are a majority of us are A-type personalities. So that's where me first comes from. I always try to give the most honest answers when someone new is coming up in this mad, mad world of ours. Once again I agree that the kid needs to learn about flying before being responsible for people's lives in the back.
 
I was thinking... you know whats more important than your FO being able to fly the airplane. Not being a certain hygiene product. I think he's really missing the biggest hiring factor. Will I be able to spend X hours, days and nights with this guy? If not, I don't care if he's Chuck Yeager.
I don't fly for an airline, but personally I'd rather teach a guy I get along with to fly, than fly with someone I don't like.
 
Highly automated cockpits are great when they're used as a tool to enhance situational awareness.

But when they're a crutch, and those systems fail, well, bad things happen.
 
ClearedToThe said:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2012/04/23/tsr-oleary-pilot-hours-law-change.cnn

It looks like the SJS is alive and well at Purdue...

Best quote by one of the students: "If I were to go into a regional airline now, I've been flying the jet, I know exactly what I'm doing now...if I go fly for two years flying in a small single engine airplane I"m going to lose a lot of what I've learned". :rolleyes:
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That quote was hilarious. I couldn't watch the rest of the video because I was LOL'ing so hard!!

I sure hope Purdue and the other flight schools are making their Cirrus-driving, glass cockpit-mothering, TOGA-loving, flight director-ing, autopilot-babied 'kids' fly a real plane with a 6 pack and 5 MEL's with half tanks of fuel to get some real experience. My airliner certainly isn't glass.... The last thing I want is some glass-babied FO flying with me, AP/FD MEL'd and can't fly worth a darn. Last thing I need on leg 6 and hour 15.... </rant>
 
Derg said:
Highly automated cockpits are great when they're used as a tool to enhance situational awareness.

But when they're a crutch, and those systems fail, well, bad things happen.
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Air France crash. While a lot happened to those guys they did not go back to some basic flying skills, pitch and power.
 
So reading this thread, more particularly the CNN video iritated me, and I got to re-reading the NPRM.

I just started reading the comments made on the 1500/ATP Rule (FAA–2010–0100). So far, out of the sampling of roughly 1600 comments, I see mostly;

1) Flight Schools that *swear* they are impartial but mysteriously do NOT support the 1500 hour rule or

2) young pilots with less than 1500 hours who think they know everything and of course, do NOT support the 1500 hour rule.

I have never made a comment before, but here is the process;

1) go to Regulations.gov

2) in the blue search window type in FAA–2010–0100

3) under Title should be "Pilot Certification and Qualification Requirements for Air Carrier "
look to the far right where it says "Submit a Comment"

4) the rest is self explanatory

Comment before it's too late, which I believe the comment period closes the end of April...
 
Derg said:
Highly automated cockpits are great when they're used as a tool to enhance situational awareness.

But when they're a crutch, and those systems fail, well, bad things happen.
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So why don't the majors hire freight pilots? :D
 
Boris Badenov said:
Now THAT is corrupting the youth! Hemlock all around at the next UND board meeting! ;)

At MY flight school "Don't deviate, penetrate, or you'll be late!" will be written on the entryway. Right next to "Arbeit Macht Frei".
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LOOOOOL, so do a couple guys I work with and I think they're NUTS! :bounce: <- this must be them while going through. haha
 
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