Cloud seeding??

I did this for three years, not a great way to build quick TT but definitely a good conversation piece. I don't have time for a lengthy write up right now but PM me with any specific questions you may have and I'll fill you in later tonight when I've got a minute.

For the record an SIC is not needed. It helps to have two people in the cockpit but all of the equipment can be operated by the PF. These companies are all PT91 so there are no ops specs requiring two pilots. The only way to log it would be to swap legs or throw one guy under the hood (I wouldn't advise this). There is a lot going on when you are bouncing between inflow and outflow and avoiding hail. I've seen more than one airplane take off on a mission and come back looking like a golf ball.

I started as a freshly minted Commercial pilot, scared the hell out of myself plenty of times but the experience helped immensely transitioning into 135 freight. Coworkers and flight followers will think you are nuts but most of the Wx you encounter with freight will be a walk in the park compared to what you see cloud seeding.
 
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jgheggie said:
Bumping this for the same question.

I have been contacted for a gig flying "right seat" in a cessna 340. I will find out more info next week. But in the mean time...I'm curious if this is logable time? The c340 seems like a single pilot airplane. I don't want to take a gig unless I can log time.
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I worked for WMI in 99-2000. Great people, and to be honest Hans is as good as gold in my book
It is terrific experience, base seeding is peaceful and fun, top seeding varies from fun for precipitation enhancement to exciting and occasionally terrifying for hail suppression.
Another thing to remember is that airplanes need to be moved around between Fargo and different projects, so the opportunity to fly exists outside the seeding flights themselves.
 
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bRandom said:
Yes... or more properly termed. "Geo-engineering" (ahem... Monsanto)
I took these in my neighborhood...
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I understand you have yet to take a flying lesson, which is fine, and I hope that happens for you soon, but do you know/understand what contrails are?
 
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Man, it's not even a full moon, but there must be something in the water. We've had the meltdown in the Desert Jet thread, the new guy who joined, dug up a 13 year old thread, then told Dr. Forred that he had two dicks, then went on a tirade calling everyone out for screwing over other pilots, then we had the guy promoting phony college degrees/let's get stoned posts, people thinking Great Mistakes is a good deal, and now this. The three posts are on chemtrails and the two pics are suddenly deleted. (even though two of the posts are already quoted here) All in one week. WTH? lol
 
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bRandom said:
oops lol. didnt realize this was an old post... this is what i was talking about...
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Do you know who Michael J. Murray even is and who the producers of this tripe are? Do an internet search. These guys are conspiracy theorists not scientists. And they make money by going to conventions held by conspiracy theorists and selling them books and dvds. And the Reality Zone? Really? More like the Twilight Zone. Have you been to their website and looked at the trash that they peddle for profit?? It's not a good thing.
 
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How would I know... I just figured it was similar to cloud seeding on la larger scale, but maybe its all just hype. Sometimes these things get so hyped up, you assume they are real on some level; but I do not actually know myself, unless i fly up into one and personally collect and analyze a sample, which probably will not happen any time soon... Everyone wants to make a buck, and I do realize that one way to get money is to hype something up and sell a bunch of conspiracy dvd's. So I will try not to assume I personally know anything... All I knew for fact about the 2 photos is A: They were directly created by jets (i personally watched them appear as contrails) B: They remained in the sky persistently enough (over 45 min.) for me (someone who has not yet taken the private pilot meteorology test) ( I have only had meteorlogy and weather courses in college) and C: They spread in thickness over an hour until they became a solid haze covering the entire region of the sky....
But honestly, I do not fully understand the interaction of contrails with the atmosphere. So hopefully I did not offend anyone... It seems odd that they would actually be a geo-engineering program, because I see this patterning happening 10's of times per day in every city I go. How could it be everywhere all the time?...
 

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bRandom said:
All I knew for fact about the 2 photos is A: They were directly created by jets (i personally watched them appear as contrails) B: They remained in the sky persistently enough (over 45 min.) for me (someone who has not yet taken the private pilot meteorology test) ( I have only had meteorlogy and weather courses in college) and C: They spread in thickness over an hour until they became a solid haze covering the entire region of the sky....
But honestly, I do not fully understand the interaction of contrails with the atmosphere. It seems odd that they would actually be a geo-engineering program, because I see this patterning happening 10's of times per day in every city I go. How could it be everywhere all the time?...
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Bingo! You just answered your own question. Because what you are seeing and would see on every continent and country on the face of the earth, are contrails. Not chemtrails.

Contrails can occur while flying in clear, cold, humid air. They form/appear upon condensation of the water vapor produced by the combustion of fuel in the airplane engines. When the ambient relative humidity is high enough, the resulting ice-crystal plume and can last for several hours. The trail can also be distorted by winds, and sometimes it spreads outwards to form a layer of cirrus cloud.

It isn't true (as in the video that you posted) that all “normal” contrails quickly fade away either. In fact, they can persist for hours and spread out to cover the sky. Whether they do this or not is entirely dependent on the atmospheric conditions that the plane is flying through, so it depends on the weather and on the altitude of the plane.
 
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Hey thanks a lot for the explanation... They always say they turn into clouds, but nobody EVER seems to mention that this is typical behavior for contrails. So this is everyday traffic, which makes sense since they are always concentrated in populated centers near airports...
 
@bRandom No probs. Feel free to ask anything you need to on here, somebody (s) will jump in and be glad to answer you. Have you made any headway into a flight school yet?

Here's a couple of good articles for you on contrails as well:

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/policy_guidance/envir_policy/media/contrails.pdf

http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/contrail-edu/science.php

The NASA site above is an excellent resource and has several articles that are easy to comprehend and are interesting.
 
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Awesome! Thanks for the articles. Everyone around here is so helpful and knowledgable. I have not quite had the money to start yet, but hopefully soon. Ill check out the articles.
Thanks
 
bRandom said:
Awesome! Thanks for the articles. Everyone around here is so helpful and knowledgable. I have not quite had the money to start yet, but hopefully soon. Ill check out the articles.
Thanks
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You'll get there eventually. It's a journey. See if you can expand your painting gig a bit....do some advertising, network, maybe even wind up hiring some painters to work for you at some point so you can take on more work. Make some flyers up for realtors for instance. They always need painters. Get some references and make a little portfolio or something. Eventually you could hook up with some decent handymen to bring on expanded projects for homeowners or businesses too.

And when you get settled, look for some local flying clubs in your area. Plenty of pilots to network with who love to take others along for rides and you might even find some instructors in the club too. They have all kinds of little events, fly-ins and get togethers. You'll have fun and meet some nice people. When you get your private, guys in the club will often let you fly their planes some with them, share the expenses of going on little day trips while getting to fly and give you some pointers as well.

I know a guy who worked at a custom tile place and had a contractor's license who got one instructor a huge discount on tile and then installed all the tile floors, counter tops and back splashes in his kitchen and bathrooms himself at the guy's home on his days off and evenings and got some free lessons in return and even a bunch of books the instructor had that he gave him and some other little things. I think he even gave him a used headset in good shape. It was a good barter for both of them.
 
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The thing that upsets me is that they don't even cover the chemtrail generators at Simuflite. That's like 95% of my job, but noooooooo, it's all "systems malfunctions", "Limitations", etc. I mean I know Secrecy is important when we're an invaluable part of spraying the sheeple with mind-controlling drugs, but it seems like too Important a Mission to just learn how to do "on the job".
 
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The thing that upsets me is that they don't even cover the chemtrail generators at Simuflite. That's like 95% of my job, but noooooooo, it's all "systems malfunctions", "Limitations", etc. I mean I know Secrecy is important when we're an invaluable part of spraying the sheeple with mind-controlling drugs, but it seems like too Important a Mission to just learn how to do "on the job".
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You don't have to worry about it in the Hawker, it's automatic! You just have to know the service location for the reservoir, it's on the forward bulkhead in the vestibule, directly below the flipdown table at the top of the stairs.
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Beep said:
You don't have to worry about it in the Hawker, it's automatic! You just have to know the service location for the reservoir, it's on the forward bulkhead in the vestibule, directly below the flipdown table at the top of the stairs.
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Thanks for translating, as I believe the original guidance in the manual is more like "Worry not, old bibblescrew, ees a lorry-toss. The lachormagia is ensconsed just lee of the vestibule, right neer of the bigamy picket, jus lof of the staircase, yeah?"
 
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