Classy move by JetBlue

I'm not certain that I agree with that. We should be tolerant of views and positions that are rational, and that do not harm others. Irrational hatred, and views that come from ignorance do not get a seat at the same table..

It depends on what you mean by "agreement." If being gay were a choice, I would see your point. It isn't. Being gay isn't a lifestyle. You don't choose to be gay anymore than you choose to be straight. You don't have a "straight lifestyle" do you? I'm straight, and I don't have a straight lifestyle. I don't even know what that means.

So yeah, I kind of do think "not agreeing" with or thinking being gay is a lifestyle choice is ignorant and doesn't deserve respect. Those who feel that way need to be educated, and if they refuse to educate themselves, be shunned. It's just like those who didn't "agree" with blacks going into white-only diners. They needed to be educated or shunned from the public discourse.

You're missing the point on one idea, and getting the point in another.

None of us need to like or dislike what people think of anything. However, the idea of being ok with people being told what and how to think. That smacks of 1984-esqe thought police. The freedom of thought and feeling is fundamental; we may not agree with how someone thinks or what they think, but they're free to think it, whether they're right or wrong.

The term "lifestyle" has nothing to do with a choice or whether someone is born some way or not. All it means, is how one lives their life. People can agree or disagree with many different aspects of how others live their lives, but none of that matters. What matters is how people treat others, whether they agree or disagree with them on any number of things. If someone's lifestyle isn't one you'd choose for yourself and not something you'd want, but they enjoy their life and they're bothering or harming no one, then they....like anyone else....deserve kindness and respect. And the same should be in reverse, if you merit the same.

That's the important thing, how tolerant of things we are, even if they may not be things we'd do ourselves, or otherwise desire. As can be seen, there are some very intolerant people out there, to the point of violence. These are the people who should be shunned, not those who may disagree with certain aspects of another's life, but still treats them with kindness and respect. People are different, we aren't clones. And those differences should be respected, even if they're not ones that are part of our personal make up.
 
First of all I do not discuss my feelings, especially on the internet. Secondly, you must be kidding asking about what I think about integration or the civil rights movement. What the *I don't have the education to emote without using a curse word* does that have to do with fact I do not support the gay rights movement?? I will say this about what has happened. It is really ed up what happened in Orlando. The loss of life was unnecessary. I am in no way a homophobe, hate monger or whatever else you are trying to label me as. But I will in no way ever support the LGBT or whatever it is movement. You want to be gay, be gay. My give a *I don't have the education to emote without using a curse word* meter is broke.

No you are just a *I don't have the education to emote without using a curse word* supercritical wing-lover.
 
Thank you. I think I took those comments a little more to heart this morning because I live in Orlando, and I've been watching the fallout up close and personal this week. This is something I probably wouldn't post about on here normally, but I felt compelled to speak up today.

I usually try to abide by the same rules I have about cockpit conversations on JetCareers too. No religion, politics, or anything controversial. However, these attitudes towards the LGBT community need to stop. Now.
 
You know what else needs to stop? This silly attachment of the word "community" to every group of over three people. Are they neighbors? Building log cabins? Having a barn raising? At least all shopping at the same Costco? No? It's not a freaking community. It's like the inverse of the "the family" phenomenon. "The family is requesting privacy". WHAT $#&%-$%ing family? Are we talking about the Mob? Oh, the family of the deceased? Perhaps you should have said so. AM I THE ONLY ONE AROUND HERE WHO GIVES A POOP ABOUT THE RULES?????
 
You know what else needs to stop? This silly attachment of the word "community" to every group of over three people. Are they neighbors? Building log cabins? Having a barn raising? At least all shopping at the same Costco? No? It's not a freaking community. It's like the inverse of the "the family" phenomenon. "The family is requesting privacy". WHAT $#&%-$%ing family? Are we talking about the Mob? Oh, the family of the deceased? Perhaps you should have said so. AM I THE ONLY ONE AROUND HERE WHO GIVES A POOP ABOUT THE RULES?????

You had me till the end.?
 
You know what else needs to stop? This silly attachment of the word "community" to every group of over three people. Are they neighbors? Building log cabins? Having a barn raising? At least all shopping at the same Costco? No? It's not a freaking community. It's like the inverse of the "the family" phenomenon. "The family is requesting privacy". WHAT $#&%-$%ing family? Are we talking about the Mob? Oh, the family of the deceased? Perhaps you should have said so. AM I THE ONLY ONE AROUND HERE WHO GIVES A POOP ABOUT THE RULES?????
Family seems to apply more than community don't you think? Are you expecting them to be specific? The deceased brother, sister, mom, dad, on and off girlfriend, their dog spot, and goldfish neemo are requesting privacy at this time? Sounds a little silly, doesn't it?
 
I just prefer HUMAN BEINGS. Because beyond race, religion, career, accomplishments, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference and a hundred other things that make us all unique and individual.............what truly binds us and makes us the same as someone living in the rainforest in Brazil or some guy herding his little goats up on a mountain in Tibet, is that we are all human beings. We all have the same wants, needs, desires and hopes. We share all the same emotions. Everyone wants to belong, be happy, be warm and safe and be wanted by another. ALL of us want to know love and to give love. This is our connection. That is what binds us.
 
I just prefer HUMAN BEINGS. Because beyond race, religion, career, accomplishments, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference and a hundred other things that make us all unique and individual.............what truly binds us and makes us the same as someone living in the rainforest in Brazil or some guy herding his little goats up on a mountain in Tibet, is that we are all human beings. We all have the same wants, needs, desires and hopes. We share all the same emotions. Everyone wants to belong, be happy, be warm and safe and be wanted by another. ALL of us want to know love and to give love. This is our connection. That is what binds us.
Maslow and his hierarchy....

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You're missing the point on one idea, and getting the point in another.

None of us need to like or dislike what people think of anything. However, the idea of being ok with people being told what and how to think. That smacks of 1984-esqe thought police. The freedom of thought and feeling is fundamental; we may not agree with how someone thinks or what they think, but they're free to think it, whether they're right or wrong.

Be that as it may, I'm not sure how refusing to tolerate homophobia is "policing their thoughts", "telling them what and how to think" or denying them freedom of thought and feeling. There seems to be a common misconception that Freedom of Speech means Freedom from Criticism.
 
Ribs, pulled pork, smoked chicken, peach cobbler, baked beans, cole slaw, yes.

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You're missing the point on one idea, and getting the point in another.

None of us need to like or dislike what people think of anything. However, the idea of being ok with people being told what and how to think. That smacks of 1984-esqe thought police. The freedom of thought and feeling is fundamental; we may not agree with how someone thinks or what they think, but they're free to think it, whether they're right or wrong.

The term "lifestyle" has nothing to do with a choice or whether someone is born some way or not. All it means, is how one lives their life. People can agree or disagree with many different aspects of how others live their lives, but none of that matters. What matters is how people treat others, whether they agree or disagree with them on any number of things. If someone's lifestyle isn't one you'd choose for yourself and not something you'd want, but they enjoy their life and they're bothering or harming no one, then they....like anyone else....deserve kindness and respect. And the same should be in reverse, if you merit the same.

That's the important thing, how tolerant of things we are, even if they may not be things we'd do ourselves, or otherwise desire. As can be seen, there are some very intolerant people out there, to the point of violence. These are the people who should be shunned, not those who may disagree with certain aspects of another's life, but still treats them with kindness and respect. People are different, we aren't clones. And those differences should be respected, even if they're not ones that are part of our personal make up.

I have seen few who espouse openly anti-gay views who are also kind and respectful. In fact, the two seem to be mutually exclusive.

We shouldn't shun those who have different views, but those who have dangerous or hateful views should absolutely be shunned. Seggy and I have different views on some things. Still, I respect his views, and am glad that he has them. We have had some heated arguments, but at the end of the day he isn't a bad person or causing harm to others.

Those who display their hate under the flag of "personal opinion" do so to maintain their implied right to hang on to their bigotry. They say, "Hey man, I'm entitled to my opinion." No. No they are not. And if they want to participate in society, they need to enlighten themselves, or suffer the consequences of holding on to socially unacceptable views.
 
Besides, it's 2016.

That's the most embarrassing part to all of this.
I just prefer HUMAN BEINGS. Because beyond race, religion, career, accomplishments, ethnicity, gender, sexual preference and a hundred other things that make us all unique and individual.............what truly binds us and makes us the same as someone living in the rainforest in Brazil or some guy herding his little goats up on a mountain in Tibet, is that we are all human beings. We all have the same wants, needs, desires and hopes. We share all the same emotions. Everyone wants to belong, be happy, be warm and safe and be wanted by another. ALL of us want to know love and to give love. This is our connection. That is what binds us.

Excuse me... I take exception to this.

~Fox
 
Love the Fox, fear the Furry? :)

If the "Quantifiable" criterion is met! ~.^

Honestly, though, there's nothing to fear from furries. We're really just a fun-loving (you might say "slightly hedonistic") cross-section of society that has a preferentially-fluffy sense of aesthetic.

Sound familiar? Mm.

-Fox
 
On tolerance: You can't be against what people are.

You can hold a position against what some people do, providing it quantifiably affects you, but you can't be against what they are.

-Fox
And this is the real issue. We are born as we are born. We are what we are. We cannot change or undo this. It's not a choice at all, it's a circumstance. It is still difficult for me to see that some people still see the basics of who we are as a "choice." I have a choice in what food I eat or where I live or what clothes I wear. I do not have a choice over my basic proclivities, my genetics, how my brain is wired or it's chemistry, etc. So when someone denies another person such as a gay man, they are denying them the right to be how they were born and who they are. WTF? How can anyone see this as okay, is beyond me. What are lesbian, gay and trans people supposed to do exactly? Pretend they are something else rather than live their true lives and live as who they actually are? Good grief, this is just so inane and stupid.
 
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