Classy move by JetBlue

Just another reason never to apply to JetBlew.

Ironic for you to make that swipe when you are talking about class. If you want to win the class war stay out of the trenches.

But, since you were brave enough to share your opinion... You're not looking to go to any airline are you? I'm glad you're not going to waste any airline's time by applying. None of them will want you either.
 
Before you all fire up the torches for the witch hunt, just remember that true tolerance and enlightenment is tolerant of ALL views and opinions, even (especially) if you do not personally agree with those viewpoints.

Well let's be clear - it's only right to tolerate an opinion that will not affect any other human beings legal rights. How can I be tolerant of a difference of opinion when, for example, that difference might mean different legal footing for me in society?
 
Before you all fire up the torches for the witch hunt, just remember that true tolerance and enlightenment is tolerant of ALL views and opinions, even (especially) if you do not personally agree with those viewpoints.

I'm not certain that I agree with that. We should be tolerant of views and positions that are rational, and that do not harm others. Irrational hatred, and views that come from ignorance do not get a seat at the same table.

Being a homophobe is not okay. I don't have to tolerate hatred. As a society, we have a duty to object to irrational hatred of any kind. The "all viewpoints are equal and deserve equal tolerance" thing is false.
 
It mystifies me that in the 21st century otherwise normative, functioning adults have strong opinions about what other adults do with still other adults and their boy/girl parts. Like, why on earth would you conceivably care? Could anything have LESS to do with you?

There is not an über like button, so this is the best I could do.
 
I'm not certain that I agree with that. We should be tolerant of views and positions that are rational, and that do not harm others. Irrational hatred, and views that come from ignorance do not get a seat at the same table.

Being a homophobe is not okay. I don't have to tolerate hatred. As a society, we have a duty to object to irrational hatred of any kind. The "all viewpoints are equal and deserve equal tolerance" thing is false.

What has to be differentiated is tolerance versus agreement. Someone may not agree with a homosexual lifestyle, as in that's not a lifestyle they have any interest in for themselves. Yet that same person may tolerate that lifestyle just fine, as in what others do with their lives doesn't affect him in any way. Wouldn't make one any kind of homophobe, ignorant, or a hater, or someone who "doesn't deserve a seat at the same table."

Because to label one as such, would be intolerance too.
 
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That is the sad part. I would hope that if a member of this forum was affected by something like the Orlando shooting that people would step up and do what was right. Not derail a good cause and turn it into a debate with a slew of hypocritical comments. It's the 21st century. Isn't it time to grow up and accept people regardless of their sexual orientation, etc.?

Although JetBlue has pledged money in addition to the tickets, I am not sure that was necessary with how generous they have already been, but it is still very cool of them.

Absolutely false. There are many examples of companies partnering causes that are truly near and dear and not simply tax deductions or filling a quota for the annual report section on community service. Especially when it comes to social causes like this. This isn't sponsorship of a building, this is the support of a community that they welcome with open arms and is not a revenue opportunity. Sure, they will see benefits from this, but they pledged their support too quickly for that to have been the primary motive.

You really don't get it.

In Qatar you can be put to death for being gay, yet you defend them over a US Flagged Airline trying to defend themselves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ere-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/

Deplorable.
 
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What has to be differentiated is tolerance versus agreement. Someone may not agree with a homosexual lifestyle, as in that's not a lifestyle they have any interest in for themselves. Yet that same person may tolerate that lifestyle just fine, as in what others do with their lives doesn't affect him in any way. Wouldn't make one any kind of homophobe, ignorant, or a hater, or someone who "doesn't deserve a seat at the same table."

Exactly how I feel about @Seggy. :D
 
You really don't get it.

In Qatar you can be put to death for being gay, yet you defend them over a US Flagged Airline trying to defend themselves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ere-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/

Deplorable.

Happens often in many countries to include Saudi Arabia, etc.

Same atrocities and suppression done to women in these places too.

Deplorable indeed. Why Hillary would call these nations a friend or accept their donations. I have to wonder.
 
So these are serious questions, and I would love answers.

1. Do you walk around openly disagreeing with people about integration or the civil rights movement of the 1960s?

2. Would you expect to "disagree" with someone about something racially insensitive and not get (at the very least) the cold shoulder?




(Sorry for allowing this guy to derail the thread, but I feel that his attitude is worth engaging. As someone in Orlando and someone with close friends in the LGBT community, I do not want to give anyone even an inch of slack on this subject. People like him often hide behind the claim that "everyone is entitled to their opinion." Well, that's simply not true.)

http://theconversation.com/no-youre-not-entitled-to-your-opinion-9978

(An excerpt)


So yeah, you can come up on a pilot forum and say you think airplanes are held aloft by fuzzy pink unicorns, but don't expect to be taken seriously and expect to not be ridiculed. Good night.
If I could have liked your post a dozen times, I would have.

Last evening when I made my short post and read what had transpired here,I decided to hold my thoughts and see what developed, hoping that would be the end. I very well understand that everybody has the right to be a racist, a bigot, a hate monger or whatever. I understand that with real freedom also come the rights of groups of people to march around in sheets, or in SS uniforms and spew hate and divisiveness against others who are not like them.

I must not be that enlightened. Enlightenment means to me that we have reached a stage as a society, as a civilization and has human beings where we value and support all life because we understand just how truly precious and remarkable lives are and that all lives matter. It means we have looked beyond a person's religion, their race, their ethnicity, or their sexual preferences. So while a person has the right to say and act the way he wants to towards others, I also have the right not to tolerate or accept such behavior. I have the right to stand up and fight such behavior. The truth, is far more important to me. Being gay or being a lesbian is not a lifestyle. It is not a choice. It is the way some people are born. Period. Just as I was born with brown eyes and dark hair. It is not something I chose or have any power to change.

49 people lost their lives. And for what? Because someone who is not enlightened, has tolerance issues, most likely has other issues, suddenly decided that these strangers who he has never met and does not know, should die and that he had the right to kill them. The victims ranged in age from 18 to 50. A barista, an accountant, a recent high school grad. A young man who wanted to be a firefighter. A teacher. A pharmacy tech. An athlete. A dancer. A musician. An employee at LGA. A restaurant manager. A student. A salesman. A singer. A hairstylist. A store manager. A realtor. A Captain in the US Army reserve. A chef. A law student...and much more These people were sons, daughters, sisters, brothers, uncles, aunts, fathers, mothers, friends and lovers.

So, @DeltaAlphaNovember, I have a photo I want you to look at. What I really would ask of you is to search on line for this location and read it's history and what happened there. Then I want you to come back here and tell me your thoughts and feelings.

Orlando-tragedy.jpg
 
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First of all I do not discuss my feelings, especially on the internet. Secondly, you must be kidding asking about what I think about integration or the civil rights movement. What the • does that have to do with fact I do not support the gay rights movement?? I will say this about what has happened. It is really •ed up what happened in Orlando. The loss of life was unnecessary. I am in no way a homophobe, hate monger or whatever else you are trying to label me as. But I will in no way ever support the LGBT or whatever it is movement. You want to be gay, be gay. My give a • meter is broke.
 
First of all I do not discuss my feelings, especially on the internet. Secondly, you must be kidding asking about what I think about integration or the civil rights movement. What the *I don't have the education to emote without using a curse word* does that have to do with fact I do not support the gay rights movement?? I will say this about what has happened. It is really ed up what happened in Orlando. The loss of life was unnecessary. I am in no way a homophobe, hate monger or whatever else you are trying to label me as. But I will in no way ever support the LGBT or whatever it is movement. You want to be gay, be gay. My give a *I don't have the education to emote without using a curse word* meter is broke.

You are entitled to your opinion, but maybe it shouldn't be in a thread about supporting the community during this horrible time.
 
Good. There for a second I thought you were one of the hypocrites who would pretend to be whatever you needed to be to get hired, then spend the next 20 years complaining and making everyone around them miserable.

Thanks for saving us the trouble!

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First of all I do not discuss my feelings, especially on the internet. Secondly, you must be kidding asking about what I think about integration or the civil rights movement. What the *I don't have the education to emote without using a curse word* does that have to do with fact I do not support the gay rights movement?? I will say this about what has happened. It is really ed up what happened in Orlando. The loss of life was unnecessary. I am in no way a homophobe, hate monger or whatever else you are trying to label me as. But I will in no way ever support the LGBT or whatever it is movement. You want to be gay, be gay. My give a *I don't have the education to emote without using a curse word* meter is broke.


- Doesn't discuss feelings
- Appears to have feelings hurt
 
What has to be differentiated is tolerance versus agreement. Someone may not agree with a homosexual lifestyle, as in that's not a lifestyle they have any interest in for themselves. Yet that same person may tolerate that lifestyle just fine, as in what others do with their lives doesn't affect him in any way. Wouldn't make one any kind of homophobe, ignorant, or a hater, or someone who "doesn't deserve a seat at the same table."

Because to label one as such, would be intolerance too.

It depends on what you mean by "agreement." If being gay were a choice, I would see your point. It isn't. Being gay isn't a lifestyle. You don't choose to be gay anymore than you choose to be straight. You don't have a "straight lifestyle" do you? I'm straight, and I don't have a straight lifestyle. I don't even know what that means.

So yeah, I kind of do think "not agreeing" with or thinking being gay is a lifestyle choice is ignorant and doesn't deserve respect. Those who feel that way need to be educated, and if they refuse to educate themselves, be shunned. It's just like those who didn't "agree" with blacks going into white-only diners. They needed to be educated or shunned from the public discourse.
 
First of all I do not discuss my feelings, especially on the internet. Secondly, you must be kidding asking about what I think about integration or the civil rights movement. What the *I don't have the education to emote without using a curse word* does that have to do with fact I do not support the gay rights movement?? I will say this about what has happened. It is really ed up what happened in Orlando. The loss of life was unnecessary. I am in no way a homophobe, hate monger or whatever else you are trying to label me as. But I will in no way ever support the LGBT or whatever it is movement. You want to be gay, be gay. My give a *I don't have the education to emote without using a curse word* meter is broke.
So now it is clear that you wish to remain bathed in your ignorance and intolerance and that you believe that gays, lesbians, trans, whatever human beings, have no rights. You claim on one hand that you are not a homophobe or hate monger. Then how can you deny entire groups of people who simply are born the way they are born and who are just trying to lead normal lives and who deserve and desire the same rights and protections under the laws that are afforded to straight people? Did you support the civil rights movement?

"The loss of life was unnecessary." That's it. It wasn't horrific, it wasn't terrible, it wasn't a tragedy, it wasn't horrendous, etc........ It was just unnecessary. Bejebus.

"You want to be gay, be gay." Well how gd incredibly generous of you. It's not a choice. No one chooses to be gay or straight. It is how we are born. It is not a fricking "lifestyle" either. We live at the beach. THAT'S a lifestyle. We are however, not born bigots. So I wonder how this developed in you.

Since you now plan not applying to JetBlue (and I am pretty damn sure that JetBlue will not be crying in their tiny socks over this momentous decision), tell me then, what airline in the world do you plan on working at that has no gay or lesbian flight crews, ground crews, cabin crews, gate and ticket agents, mechanics, admin. HR, OPs......hell, all facets actually.
 
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First of all I do not discuss my feelings, especially on the internet. Secondly, you must be kidding asking about what I think about integration or the civil rights movement. What the *I don't have the education to emote without using a curse word* does that have to do with fact I do not support the gay rights movement?? I will say this about what has happened. It is really ed up what happened in Orlando. The loss of life was unnecessary. I am in no way a homophobe, hate monger or whatever else you are trying to label me as. But I will in no way ever support the LGBT or whatever it is movement. You want to be gay, be gay. My give a *I don't have the education to emote without using a curse word* meter is broke.

Nobody really wakes up one day wanting to be gay. He or she just is...

Unless you are bi and want to choose one side, I guess.
 
I will say, I was listening to a conservative talk radio station the other day, and it is very scary how a couple of folks called In saying what happened in Orlando was good for society. These Christians Claimed that God wants the gays killed off. How is this different than Islam?
 
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