Class B & VFR Practice Approaches

MidlifeFlyer said:
He doesn't. What is now Class C was ARSA.

Terminal Radar Service Areas (TRSA) still exit by that name. Didn't fit in the alphabet group. Like this one:
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Nope.

I was an approach controller at two Stage III TRSA airports. Most but not all Stage III TRSA's became Class C, some are still TRSA's. Palm Springs CA and Altus OK are two that come to mind.

Most Stage I and Stage II TRSA's reverted back to Class D.
 
When we do our mapping missions, a lot of those are inside Bravos but we base in outlying Deltas or Charlies. When departing Charlie or Delta VFR, we are usually always told to avoid class Bravo. We then get on with approach and request a Bravo clearance in addition to what other info the controller may way in regards to our mission. When doing VFR approaches for recurrent, the IAF for a local RNAV is inside of the Bravo shelf by about a mile. We request that IAF and are granted. 90% of the time the controller does not give us "cleared into the Bravo" and we have to query ATC about it. They come back on in a voice sounding like "oops, I forgot that part" and clear us in. It's this way in many areas around the country. I would never enter Bravo VFR with out explicitly being told by ATC, "NXXXXX, you are cleared into the Bravo". As others have stated, it's a CYA thing.
 
If the bottom of the shelf is 3000 and he clears you to fly the approach and maintain 3000 then you would not be entering the Class B.

We do this all the time in Phoenix and ATC only clears us in to Class B if the approach actually flies through the Bravo airspace.
 
Airfoil said:
If the bottom of the shelf is 3000 and he clears you to fly the approach and maintain 3000 then you would not be entering the Class B.

We do this all the time in Phoenix and ATC only clears us in to Class B if the approach actually flies through the Bravo airspace.
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If the bottom of the shelf is 3000, then you are not in the Bravo at 2999ft. You ARE in the Bravo at 3000ft.
 
Yes, I agree with you, like tennis, Liners are in, but when talking to the Phoenix controllers, they don't consider it B if your talking to them and they get pretty grumpy if you ask for a Bravo clearance. Other approaches that do enter the airspace they give the Bravo clearance.
 
Sounds like they're pretty screwed up on that practice then. As long as it works and nobody gets into trouble.
 
FM_Weasel said:
If the bottom of the shelf is 3000, then you are not in the Bravo at 2999ft. You ARE in the Bravo at 3000ft.
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Just because its legal, it doesn't make it smart. I can't count how many times I've seen some VFR under the floor of the NY class bravo at 2900 get "dusted off" by one of our heavy jets at 3000.
 
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