Clarifying Question: Minimum Hours???

[Screaming_Emu]

But CFIing in a Cessna 150 for 500hrs is better than sitting real world in a CRJ for 500hrs?

MR

No, but you should be a competent pilot BEFORE you get into that CRJ. Its obvious that there will be some instruction that needs to happen when you're first put into the CRJ. But that instruction should be about how to operate the CRJ, not how to fly an airplane.

I had this debate with my boss. My school is becoming an affiliate of Jet U and I told him I would prefer to not become involved with that. The way Jet U explained it to him was that Jet U is providing a service for the regional airlines by basically putting these 300 hour wonders through airline groundschool, so that they can easily pass through it when they go for real. In my opinion this is exactly like using the Gleim to pass a written exam and expecting to get all of your knowledge from that. While Jet U and similar programs will help you get through training, what should actually be happening is that you are being prepared for life after training. Something that only happens from being out there and making decisions for yourself.

 

[mrambo]

No, but you should be a competent pilot BEFORE you get into that CRJ. Its obvious that there will be some instruction that needs to happen when you're first put into the CRJ. But that instruction should be about how to operate the CRJ, not how to fly an airplane.

I would hope that the examiner who OK'd this pilot for their COMM rating is competent enough to know whether or not the pilot can fly a plane to exacting standards. Additionally, I would hope the CFI that signed off on this pilot to solo or go up for their PPL is competent as well.

I think if an airline is trusting a person with their millions of dollar jet and many more millions of dollars of lives in insurance policies then I would like to believe that the lowtime FO/CA would know how to fly a plane.

MR

 

[MikeOH58]

But CFIing in a Cessna 150 for 500hrs is better than sitting real world in a CRJ for 500hrs?

MR

Tit for tat i'd be willing to bet that the 500 hour CFI could tell you a whole lot more about aviation than the 500 hour CRJ FO.

If it came down to me having to choose who would fly my family; a guy who at 300 hours became a CFI and has now logged 500 hours given, or a guy who at 300 hours became a regional airlines FO, I would take the CFI.

 

[MikeOH58]

I think if an airline is trusting a person with their millions of dollar jet and many more millions of dollars of lives in insurance policies then I would like to believe that the lowtime FO/CA would know how to fly a plane.

MR

I would hope that my surgeon knows what he is doing while I am trusting him with my life, yet year after year we hear of doctors performing the wrong surgery on individuals...I woud hope my greyhound bus driver on my trip to the casino's knows how to drive, yet there are fatal crashes each year. And so it goes and so it goes.

Fact is, just because you are at or above what a regional airline sets as mininums, does not mean you are ready.

 

[MikeOH58]

I think a good example to use would be someone going for their PPL checkride at exactly 40 hours...Its legal, and they are at the mininums, so they must be ready right? Throw it into the wind and hope for the best, sort of like the wonders and their shot at 121 groundschool.

 

[mrambo]

Tit for tat i'd be willing to bet that the 500 hour CFI could tell you a whole lot more about aviation than the 500 hour CRJ FO.

If it came down to me having to choose who would fly my family; a guy who at 300 hours became a CFI and has now logged 500 hours given, or a guy who at 300 hours became a regional airlines FO, I would take the CFI.

It's really that deep?
so, let's take 2 guys with 800hrs.

Guy #1 became CFI at 300hrs then gave dual in Cessna 150s and Piper Warriors then jumped on with Eagle at 800hrs. Went through Eagle training and is now sitting right seat with 800hrs TT but ZERO hrs CRJ time.

Guy #2 became CFI at 300hrs then fly at his leisure to 500hrs jumped on at Eagle and has flown the last 3 months (100hrs/month) right seat in a CRJ.

You mean to tell me you'd take Guy #1 with ZERO hrs in a complex jet like a CRJ over a guy with a wee bit more experience in a CRJ? Things are moving a lot faster in a CRJ than a 100 horsepower C150 I'm sure.

Are the glide properties of a C150 and a CRJ that similar?


MR

 

[MikeOH58]

You mean to tell me you'd take Guy #1 with ZERO hrs in a complex jet like a CRJ over a guy with a wee bit more experience in a CRJ? Things are moving a lot faster in a CRJ than a 100 horsepower C150 I'm sure.

Are the glide properties of a C150 and a CRJ that similar?


MR

I would...I bet I could go through a very rigorous and specialized "groundschool" to learn to perform a very specific operation...I'm sure I could perform that specific operation sucessfully, but if something unforseen came about...well...i'm screwed.

I take the generalist who becomes a specialist over the single specialist any freaking day.

 

[t-cart]

Tit for tat i'd be willing to bet that the 500 hour CFI could tell you a whole lot more about aviation than the 500 hour CRJ FO.

If it came down to me having to choose who would fly my family; a guy who at 300 hours became a CFI and has now logged 500 hours given, or a guy who at 300 hours became a regional airlines FO, I would take the CFI.

My money,s on the Cropduster!! FLY SAFE T.C.