rausda27
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You would need 500 hours of time in type to meet the requirement..
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You would need 500 hours of time in type to meet the requirement..
§ 61.64 Use of a flight simulator and flight training device.
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(a) Use of a flight simulator or flight training device. If an applicant for a certificate or rating uses a flight simulator or flight training device for training or any portion of the practical test, the flight simulator and flight training device—
(1) Must represent the category, class, and type (if a type rating is applicable) for the rating sought; and
(2) Must be qualified and approved by the Administrator and used in accordance with an approved course of training under part 141 or part 142 of this chapter; or under part 121 or part 135 of this chapter, provided the applicant is a pilot employee of that air carrier operator.
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (f) of this section, if an airplane is not used during the practical test for a type rating for a turbojet airplane (except for preflight inspection), an applicant must accomplish the entire practical test in a Level C or higher flight simulator and the applicant must—
(1) Hold a type rating in a turbojet airplane of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought, and that type rating may not contain a supervised operating experience limitation;
(2) Have 1,000 hours of flight time in two different turbojet airplanes of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought;
(3) Have been appointed by the U.S. Armed Forces as pilot in command in a turbojet airplane of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought;
(4) Have 500 hours of flight time in the same type of airplane for which the type rating is sought; or
(5) Have logged at least 2,000 hours of flight time, of which 500 hours were in turbine-powered airplanes of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought.
(c) Except as provided in paragraph (f) of this section, if an airplane is not used during the practical test for a type rating for a turbo-propeller airplane (except for preflight inspection), an applicant must accomplish the entire practical test in a Level C or higher flight simulator and the applicant must—
(1) Hold a type rating in a turbo-propeller airplane of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought, and that type rating may not contain a supervised operating experience limitation;
(2) Have 1,000 hours of flight time in two different turbo-propeller airplanes of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought;
(3) Have been appointed by the U.S. Armed Forces as pilot in command in a turbo-propeller airplane of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought;
(4) Have 500 hours of flight time in the same type of airplane for which the type rating is sought; or
(5) Have logged at least 2,000 hours of flight time, of which 500 hours were in turbine-powered airplanes of the same class of airplane for which the type rating is sought.
(d) Except as provided in paragraph (f) of this section, if a helicopter is not used during the practical test for a type rating in a helicopter (except for preflight inspection), an applicant must accomplish the entire practical test in a Level C or higher flight simulator and the applicant must meet one of the following requirements—
(1) Hold a type rating in a helicopter and that type rating may not contain the supervised operating experience limitation;
(2) Have been appointed by the U.S. Armed Forces as pilot in command of a helicopter;
(3) Have 500 hours of flight time in the type of helicopter; or
(4) Have 1,000 hours of flight time in two different types of helicopters.
(e) Except as provided in paragraph (f) of this section, if a powered-lift is not used during the practical test for a type rating in a powered-lift (except for preflight inspection), an applicant must accomplish the entire practical test in a Level C or higher flight simulator and the applicant must meet one of the following requirements—
(1) Hold a type rating in a powered-lift without a supervised operating experience limitation;
(2) Have been appointed by the U.S. Armed Forces as pilot in command of a powered-lift;
(3) Have 500 hours of flight time in the type of powered-lift for which the rating is sought; or
(4) Have 1,000 hours of flight time in two different types of powered-lifts.
(f) If the applicant does not meet one of the experience requirements of paragraphs (b)(1) through (5), (c)(1) through (5), (d)(1) through (4) or (e)(1) through (4) of this section, as appropriate to the type rating sought, then—
(1) The applicant must complete the following tasks on the practical test in an aircraft appropriate to category, class, and type for the rating sought: Preflight inspection, normal takeoff, normal instrument landing system approach, missed approach, and normal landing; or
(2) The applicant's pilot certificate will be issued with a limitation that states: “The [name of the additional type rating] is subject to pilot in command limitations,” and the applicant is restricted from serving as pilot in command in an aircraft of that type.
(g) The limitation described under paragraph (f)(2) of this section may be removed from the pilot certificate if the applicant complies with the following—
(1) Performs 25 hours of flight time in an aircraft of the category, class, and type for which the limitation applies under the direct observation of the pilot in command who holds a category, class, and type rating, without limitations, for the aircraft;
(2) Logs each flight and the pilot in command who observed the flight attests in writing to each flight;
(3) Obtains the flight time while performing the duties of pilot in command; and
(4) Presents evidence of the supervised operating experience to any Examiner or FAA Flight Standards District Office to have the limitation removed.
The way 61.64 reads, (b) and (c) require all the requirements, while (d), and (e) require only one of the requirements. Is that the way it is enforced?
dustoff17
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efly
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hmmmm, would the previous time in type count for the SOE, as in could my company at the time have signed me off before I even got the limitation? I sent an e-mail to my old CP, because I agree with you rausda, i've very curious now.
rausda27
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Its not your fault. The training center should have caught it. I am sure this happens more often than not. You also should of had a statement that said you dont meet the ICAO standards for PIC either.
Oh well..
efly
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CP confirms an oversight... he agreed, happens more often than you'd think. Although I had no intention of hopping in the left seat when I got it, it is kinda scary that it happens, and some people out there aren't too responsible....
rockman2343@aol.com
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Anyone know if airlines have an exemption to this. I was looking at the same reg, 61.64, and am under the impression that mine should have the SOE limitation on there as well. I was just issued one without it.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
He can pay for his tuition, or he can pay for the type - pretty ridiculous to suggest that he sit in an ATD for the same cost as having a type rating.
cezzna
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-If you are just looking to 'broaden your horizons' an SOE is of no consequence
- An SOE doesn't matter, nobody will let you be PIC with no real experience.
- If you are looking for relevant turbine experience, train as a crew. Single pilot 'gunslinger' turbine experience is valid if you are ever likely to operate in this small but viable niche, however the rest of the world is trending towards multi crew training/licensing/operations, all in line with CRM training.
Your goals are ambiguous. Think it through more.
- An SOE doesn't matter, nobody will let you be PIC with no real experience.
- If you are looking for relevant turbine experience, train as a crew. Single pilot 'gunslinger' turbine experience is valid if you are ever likely to operate in this small but viable niche, however the rest of the world is trending towards multi crew training/licensing/operations, all in line with CRM training.
Your goals are ambiguous. Think it through more.
JeppUpdater
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Okay guys - two year old topic we're responding to now.
I'd like to see a cite for when SOE is and is not required. My in-airplane type for the Metro didn't require SOE but our guys going through FSI on the 1900 doing the ride in the sim do require it. The reg is clear as mud, as normal.
I'd like to see a cite for when SOE is and is not required. My in-airplane type for the Metro didn't require SOE but our guys going through FSI on the 1900 doing the ride in the sim do require it. The reg is clear as mud, as normal.
dustoff17
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That's because your rating was IN the aircraft...FSI trainees (with no prior experience) require the SOE.