Citation Roll
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Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
What is that, maybe the low 20s? Heck, maybe he's at 17,999. It's a straight wing airplane and I'm sure they were both wearing parachutes. Totally legal. 
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
What is that, maybe the low 20s? Heck, maybe he's at 17,999. It's a straight wing airplane and I'm sure they were both wearing parachutes. Totally legal.
I'm calling Flight Standards. And judging by the noise in back they were also running oversquare.
Edit: Nah, seriously, that was cool to see.
Crockrocket94
Well-Known Member
eeeek, thats a bad life choice.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
If you mean posting on the internet, then I agree entirely.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
CCR. Sweet. Bunch of posers from Cali, but God bless em.
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Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Lawd don't they help themselves, huh?
Jimmy_Norton
Well-Known Member
Frickin' idiots.....I'll never understand why people continue to do this crap in airplanes that aren't supposed to.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
They were so closing to dying ZOMG!!!!
How about some hyperbole with your sandwich, sir?
Straight wing aircraft, "competent" pilots (not going to dog the skills if they don't crash), no harm, no foul.
Didn't some dude named Tex Johnson roll a 707 (SWEPT WING LOLOLOL!) and successfully at that?
Jimmy_Norton
Well-Known Member
So since they didn't crash, its "no harm no foul"? Sadly, there are plenty of people that HAVE crashed, including some yahoo's in a citation similar to this one in Europe within the last few years.
Professional pilots should not be rolling transport category aircraft.
Professional pilots should not be rolling transport category aircraft.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
You can fly a Citation without a Commercial certificate....
Jimmy_Norton
Well-Known Member
Don't you have an RJ to fly?
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
That's an appropriate comeback, I suppose.
I fly my RJ to the company standards. However, I will not judge another pilot for successfully completing a maneuver that I have no background knowledge of. (clarification: in the past, I have, but I've learned that I'm not a regulator, nor am I knowledgeable of others operating procedures and background other than my own, so I have no place in judging/ hanging a crew)
You are merely seeing the results.
They could have had FAA approval, been wearing parachutes, and briefed the entry- and exit- of the maneuver. That there was an observer could also have been approved.
When in doubt, fly per the manual / approved ops specs / FAA regs. Simple as that. There's not enough in the video the hang the "crew" or "single pilot" of that aircraft.
Jimmy_Norton
Well-Known Member
They could have been doing that, but I doubt the FAA approval would allow a passenger in the back.
And just repeat after me... "Lets 410 it dude!!!!!"
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
I didn't work for the company that you're referring to with that quote, at that point in time.
And just repeat after me... "I fly my aircraft to the standards set forth by the company, the aircraft manufacturer, and the FAA."
Jimmy_Norton
Well-Known Member
But its OK to do an aileron roll, as long as you don't die.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
You can't tell for sure whether the maneuver is approved, or not. Highly likely not approved, but until you have definitive proof, I believe that the US Constitution applies.... "presumed innocent until proven guilty". I will presume the individual, or individuals, are in compliance with applicable FARs, until someone proves me otherwise.
You're right, no specific reg says "though shalt not roll a Citation."
But there are plenty of regs that can be thrown at this one. I have been to an NTSB hearing where a friends certificate was emergency revoked for climbing in an Extra300 at a 35-45 deg angle, because it was "carless and reckless" and "aerobatic."