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KSCessnaDriver said:
That sir, is in-fact incorrect. Some of the early PA28's (PA28-140) were certified for spins. While there aren't many out there still, you can find them from time to time.
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Didn't know that. The only -140 I've flown had a 160 conversion on it and part of the STC was no spins. All the other PA28s I've flown were no spin.

Now I know!

The question was still trainers that were not certified for spins, and the point is still valid though.
 
Why yes, I have heard of a Warrior. :rolleyes:

I haven't tried accelerated stalls in one, but power off/on was pretty anticlimactic. No wing drop (because of the huge dihedral right?), no tendency to spin. JHugz said the Cirrus is similar, and I believe him so I have no problem with that anymore. Thanks for setting me straight on that.

Spins tend to get prohibited because the recovery takes too long, or is unpredictable in different C.G. ranges, etc. I have never heard of a GA aircraft manufacturer flat out say that spin recovery is irrelevant and should be disregarded because of BRS, and I still think it's irresponsible if they truly believe that. Hopefully it's just their marketing department putting a spin on things. :cwm27:
 
jhugz said:
Obviously...

You really don't get it do you. The chute was added as an extra safety feature to the airplane. It's like buying a car w/ side air bags. Are they needed? No...does it make the vehicle safer? Absolutely. It's a selling point for the aircraft and most owners agree it's a positive.

They decided that since they already have this piece of equipment they would try and save some money on the certification process. The only way the Feds would approve this is that the only mention of spin recover could be that the chute has to be pulled. This is where the less educated people on the topic jumped to conclusions and decided that you couldn't recover from a spin w/ the airplane which is completely false.

Just for kicks and giggles how much time in type do you have?
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The big difference here is that I can buy a car WITHOUT the side airbag if I choose to bypass the "extra safety". Can't do THAT in a Cirrus!

I never said (or meant to write) that the Cirrus was a bad plane nor did I mean to say that no one should fly one. I was merely addressing a comment here in this thread. No conclusion were "jumped" by me, I was stating a fact about the certification of an aircraft.

Not sure whether this will be a "kick" or "giggle" for you but I have exactly zero time in a Cirrus. However, you must know that there are literally tens of thousands of people that are involvled in the concept phase, design, manufacturing, production, certification and delivery of aircraft that have zero flight time in the aircraft they work on. They work for Cirrus, Boeing, Martin-Marietta, Piper, Bell, Cessna, Hawker/Beech, Learjet, Sikorsky, etc.

These people might have a lot more knowledge in the area of design and certification than the highest flight time pilot out there. Without violating proprietary information or violating a NDA, I've said about as much as I can say on this site.
 
dustoff17 said:
The big difference here is that I can buy a car WITHOUT the side airbag if I choose to bypass the "extra safety". Can't do THAT in a Cirrus!
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http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/safety/articles/123920/article.html

Don't think so. At least, you might be able to today, but that's quickly becoming a choice you won't have.

A standard enacted late in 2007 by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) mandates that all automakers must phase in additional side-impact protection as a standard feature for their cars, trucks and SUVs. The requirement goes into effect beginning September 1, 2009, and every automaker must comply within four years.
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I very much like flying the Cirrus, but my biggest complaint is is the Autopilot disconnect, and it's insanely annoying alarm...To the best of my knowledge, the only way to disconnect Autopilot, but keep Flight Director on is to use the AP button on the upper left panel, which will be followed by a 10 second long alarm, that would make passengers think the airplane is about to explode.
 
dustoff17 said:
The big difference here is that I can buy a car WITHOUT the side airbag if I choose to bypass the "extra safety". Can't do THAT in a Cirrus!
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Try without the steering wheel airbag and ABS.

MikeOH58 said:
I very much like flying the Cirrus, but my biggest complaint is is the Autopilot disconnect, and it's insanely annoying alarm...To the best of my knowledge, the only way to disconnect Autopilot, but keep Flight Director on is to use the AP button on the upper left panel, which will be followed by a 10 second long alarm, that would make passengers think the airplane is about to explode.
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Someone made the comment about holding down the disconnect for a short beep. Will try it tomorrow when I pick my bird back up!:D
 
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