Cirrus Crash near APA

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IslandFlyer

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DOUGLAS COUNTY, Colo. -- One person was killed when a small airplane crashed in a neighborhood southeast of Denver Friday night. Crews were back on the scene near the Stepping Stone Subdivision between the town of Parker and I-25 early Saturday investigating what happened.

South Metro Fire Rescue said an occupied home in Parker was struck by a large piece of debris. A piece of the airplane's engine was embedded in the back wall of a house. The occupants who were inside the home were not hurt. No residents in the neighborhood were injured.
 
IslandFlyer said:
https://www.google.com/amp/kdvr.com...-plane-crashes-in-southeast-metro-denver/amp/

DOUGLAS COUNTY, Colo. -- One person was killed when a small airplane crashed in a neighborhood southeast of Denver Friday night. Crews were back on the scene near the Stepping Stone Subdivision between the town of Parker and I-25 early Saturday investigating what happened.

South Metro Fire Rescue said an occupied home in Parker was struck by a large piece of debris. A piece of the airplane's engine was embedded in the back wall of a house. The occupants who were inside the home were not hurt. No residents in the neighborhood were injured.
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RIP.

But it does elicit a cheap-shot opportunity to update the Wonderlic Analogy Pool.
Cirri : Subdivisions :: ____________ : Trailer Parks

Also, see what you get by accepting Chinese drywall from shady contractors?
 
Never a fan of Monday morn QB'ing but we had weather & rain moving into the Front Range last night, didn't seem to be the best time to be launching VFR. Ceilings were low'ish around then and getting worse.

RIP.
 
bike21 said:
Never a fan of Monday morn QB'ing but we had weather & rain moving into the Front Range last night, didn't seem to be the best time to be launching VFR. Ceilings were low'ish around then and getting worse.

RIP.
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Yeah it sucks. I live a mile from the crash site and was on my driveway and heard all the sirens. I was wondering what was going on and found at this morning. Low vis and ceilings last night for sure
 
That guy was VFR? Does anyone have a liveATC feed? That weather looked nothing like something a competent instrument rated pilot in an airplane as well-equipped as an SR22 couldn’t handle.

Crop Duster said:
Also, see what you get by accepting Chinese drywall from shady contractors?
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A cheaply made chinese Continental embedded in the side?

Edited for engine type.
 
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KAPA 120314Z COR 01014KT 1/2SM FG OVC002 11/11 A2987
KAPA 120308Z 36014KT 2SM BR OVC003 12/11 A2987
KAPA 120253Z 35015KT 3SM BR OVC006 12/11 A2986
KAPA 120223Z 36014KT 4SM BR OVC013 13/11 A2984
KAPA 120153Z 35014G21KT 7SM BKN015 OVC100 15/12 A2982
 
gotWXdagain said:
That guy was VFR? Does anyone have a liveATC feed? That weather looked nothing like something a competent instrument rated pilot in an airplane as well-equipped as an SR22 couldn’t handle.



A cheaply made chinese Continental embedded in the side?

Edited for engine type.
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http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kapa/KAPA-May-12-2018-0200Z.mp3

Starts around 11:00 I believe. Callsign was 705TX I think. The guys sounds confused maybe. Was a VFR departure and it sounds like he flew into the clouds. Think the tower said he was at 7000 or something, and it sounds like an A/C on approach said they broke out at 6000 and some change but it was hard to hear. Wx was consistently getting worse over time as you can see by the METARs... With the rising terrain to the south and west I wouldn’t have even thought of going VFR on a night like last night. Also for what it’s worth the pilots address that matches the registration for the plane was instrument rated.
 
sweeps said:
http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kapa/KAPA-May-12-2018-0200Z.mp3

Starts around 11:00 I believe. Callsign was 705TX I think. The guys sounds confused maybe. Was a VFR departure and it sounds like he flew into the clouds. Think the tower said he was at 7000 or something, and it sounds like an A/C on approach said they broke out at 6000 and some change but it was hard to hear. Wx was consistently getting worse over time as you can see by the METARs... With the rising terrain to the south and west I wouldn’t have even thought of going VFR on a night like last night. Also for what it’s worth the pilots address that matches the registration for the plane was instrument rated.
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Geez, you'd think an IFR-rated pilot would have just filed and gone on his way in a Cirrus, unless he was trying to go over the mountains and he didn't have the TKS. But at that point, why bother at all? I don't have much experience with APA, is Denver Tracon not really good about issuing IFR clearances out of the satellites to small piston aircraft?
 
gotWXdagain said:
Geez, you'd think an IFR-rated pilot would have just filed and gone on his way in a Cirrus, unless he was trying to go over the mountains and he didn't have the TKS. But at that point, why bother at all? I don't have much experience with APA, is Denver Tracon not really good about issuing IFR clearances out of the satellites to small piston aircraft?
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I always flew IFR in turbine stuff. I’ve never heard of piston guysbhaving trouble. Especially at 8-9pm
 
sweeps said:
gotWXdagain said:
Geez, you'd think an IFR-rated pilot would have just filed and gone on his way in a Cirrus, unless he was trying to go over the mountains and he didn't have the TKS. But at that point, why bother at all? I don't have much experience with APA, is Denver Tracon not really good about issuing IFR clearances out of the satellites to small piston aircraft?
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I always flew IFR in turbine stuff. I’ve never heard of piston guysbhaving trouble. Especially at 8-9pm
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Yeah same, and only briefly as transient.
 
AAPalmTree said:
Pilot seemed confused. I had trouble understanding the controller as well.
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Controller was pretty clear about everything and it sounds like the pilot understood what he was being told to do.
However, tower telling him to fly eastbound and remain east of centerline and then continue west when the pilot didn't comply with the east instruction is a gigantic clue that something isn't going right in the cockpit. At night, probably in the clouds, the pilot is going to have a very hard time deciphering instruments to comply with instructions based on geographic references. I know a Class Delta tower doesn't really issue headings to VFRs because there's added responsibility, but in cases of separating aircraft just issue the heading you need. All the pilot needs to do is turn the aircraft to the heading with no thinking required.

Exact same issue as the SoCal controller December of 2016 when she told Eva Air to make a wrong turn and then just kept saying fly southbound.
 
Roger Roger said:
That’s VFR.
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Yes, VFR, and trending worse. Ceilings at the time of departure were good enough to stay in a low pattern, and it was getting dark, and was after sunset. Going south, there is rising terrain. This guy crashed right by my parents’ house. It’s VFR but that’s scud runnin’ VFR.
 
Roger Roger said:
That’s VFR.
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We're talking about a place where there is more than 300 days a year of sunshine and visibilities in the 80 mile range. Anything less than 5000 and 10 feels like IMC.

I listened to the audio. Very painful. We'll see what the investigation ultimately shows, but sounds like severe disorientation. Especially bad since some sources have said the pilot was instrument rated.
 
Was going to go up Friday night out of APA with a CFI for some practice (I’m in DEN for two weeks) but we cancelled due to low ceilings and winds. CFI said everyone coming in reported a lot of turbulence. CX decision was mine - didn’t make sense to make things harder than they needed to be.

Dunno if that was a factor here, but it was reason enough for us to cancel a non-critical flight.


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Itchy said:
Medical emergency ?
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Was thinking that was a possibility but the guy departed VFR to the south. I live very close to the crash site and was out drinking beer with my buddy in my garage and it was pretty low ceilings and vis. I’m wondering if he went IMC after TO and didn’t want to fess up when he told the tower he’d like to return to the airport. Based on what I could hear on the audio it sounds like he might have been in the clouds... the debris field was spread out pretty good too when I saw the area the next morning. I wonder if it broke up in flight.
 
sweeps said:
Itchy said:
Medical emergency ?
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Was thinking that was a possibility but the guy departed VFR to the south. I live very close to the crash site and was out drinking beer with my buddy in my garage and it was pretty low ceilings and vis. I’m wondering if he went IMC after TO and didn’t want to fess up when he told the tower he’d like to return to the airport. Based on what I could hear on the audio it sounds like he might have been in the clouds... the debris field was spread out pretty good too when I saw the area the next morning. I wonder if it broke up in flight.
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Nah it projected all its energy forward and threw the engine across a road into that house.

That’s a high speed low angle smear. Smells like CFIT.

PD dispatch reported numerous human remains scattered across a two acre field.
 
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