Chicago Center Fire

alaskadrifter said:
This incident go me thinking. What is to stop a coordinated attack from crippling our ATC system?
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Bingo. And yet we keep consolidating facilities, something we never would allow during the Cold War. I'm just glad Chicago Center still had Indianapolis and Minneapolis Centers to take some of the load. Don't even want to think about the fix we'd be in nationally right now if those three facilities had been rolled up into one.
 
I was working yesterday and talking to Peoria Approach. They were slammed with airline traffic. A lot of the airliners commented that they hadn't talked to Peoria approach since their flight training days.
 
alaskadrifter said:
This incident go me thinking. What is to stop a coordinated attack from crippling our ATC system?
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You're going to give tsa ideas. Obviously they are needed with nudie picture machines at each ATC facility entrance. Also some "drug free zone" and "gun free zone" signs would be nice.
 
cencal83406 said:
Hyperbole alert...
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Boyington said:
How about this scenario...
You are talking with approach and are told to turn to a heading of 180 and descend to 4000'. (Not cleared for an approach). Then, approach goes off the air. What do you do? Do you stay on that heading until you get to someone else's airspace? Do you complete the approach? Do you go "missed" even before you are established on a part of the course?

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And if your scenario occurs in VMC, then the correct answer is a bit different per 91.185
 
The problem with the FFA is that they never had a real workable back up plan to deal with a long term outage of a major ATC facility and the backup plan that was in place was a JOKE!!!!!! 20 years ago I was on was on a safety committee in my area at ZAU and this exact problem was brought and discussed but all the moron managers told us that something like what happened to ZAU last week would never happen and blew off our proposal, now the head FFA douchbag now wants to review the non extant back up plans for the whole system.......................priceless !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
queeno said:
The problem with the FFA is that they never had a real workable back up plan to deal with a long term outage of a major ATC facility and the backup plan that was in place was a JOKE!!!!!! 20 years ago I was on was on a safety committee in my area at ZAU and this exact problem was brought and discussed but all the moron managers told us that something like what happened to ZAU last week would never happen and blew off our proposal, now the head FFA douchbag now wants to review the non extant back up plans for the whole system.......................priceless !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My favorite part of all this is that the FAA requires airlines to have back-up operations centers just in case the primary becomes unusable for some reason. But the FAA doesn't even have back-ups for its own facilities.
 
Couldn't say it better myself Queeno. Any controller in the FAA knew their backup plan would never actually be useful...much less be used. I wonder what their next great plan is going to be.

Maybe this will keep the morons in airspace busy so they forget about jacking up our airspace even more.
 
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