Chesley in snit over truthful book

Snoopy2 said:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/sullenberger-takes-issue-with-new-book/

My favorite passage from the Times artcile.

"Since the day that he and his co-pilot, Jeffrey B. Skiles, landed the plane on the river, Captain Sullenberger has tried to tone down a public perception that he is a hero.":rotfl:
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I didn't see anything remotely close to a "snit". And no Chesley, doesn't toot his own horn alot. There are a lot of people I know that if they pulled that off, they would crow and crow.:)
 
Last Sunday I didn't have much going on, so I went to Barnes and Noble and read Sullenberger's "Highest Duty" cover to cover. I thought it gave a lot of insight in to what Sully is like as a person. From everything I read, he seems like a really solid guy.

I don't know how automation influenced the incident, but after reading Sully's book, I tend to trust what he says over what a guy who wasn't there and has never flown an A320 says. What are William Langewiesche's qualifications as a pilot again?

Everybody loves to hate something, I guess.
 
I'm not sure about Sully, but I can personally say that Skiles is not only a solid, humble guy but he is funny. He joined a small forum that I belong too and his avatar is a goose with a circle and slash through it and the words "Goosestopper" below. He mentioned that he was looking for a Waco and everyone on the forum started posting pics of Waco's on floats, etc. His birthday happened recently and the forum mod's thread was titled "Happy Birthday Goose Boy".

Anyway - he slings it all back at us. Now, nobody asks him about the Hudson because he is there for Waco stuff and probably gets sick of it, but he is a really cool guy.
 
The real point is NOT FBW but the envelope that the 'bus flies in. FBW is just another means of passing pilot inputs to the flight control surfaces.

The other issue is automation and as Sully notes in his book early work by Dr. Earl Weiner answered the question. Dr. Weiner, asked about the role of the pilot in a highly automated airplane, said there was none. The real question is the role of automation in the piloted aircraft.

Many have noted that in a highly automated airplane (b757/767 and on, Airbus A320 family) automation has reduced workload where it was already low and increased workload where it was already high. One only has to be given a last minute runway change in wx to know the drill to bring up a different approach from the FMS. On old machines, it is just a twist of the knobs to tune a new freq.

Those who argue the 'bus won't let you fly are just not familiar with the airplane, the FBW structure and the envelope. If for no other reason that yanking full aft stick takes you to MAX AOA and you don't have to hunt for it in windshear, I think it is a good system for an airliner. The funny thing is while many get upset about the FBW, few seem to have a problem with FADECs (not the issue of non-moving throttles). ???

As for the book, I recommend it. It is a quick read. It presents a broader picture of Sullenberger and the last few chapters shows the depth of the man.
 
Snoopy2 said:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/sullenberger-takes-issue-with-new-book/

My favorite passage from the Times artcile.

"Since the day that he and his co-pilot, Jeffrey B. Skiles, landed the plane on the river, Captain Sullenberger has tried to tone down a public perception that he is a hero.":rotfl:
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Dude will you get off this constant hate you have toward Sulley? We get it, you don't think he did anything special. All you seem to post is about bagging on the man. Hero, or not he got his plane down safely and no one got killed. Let it go already.
 
granlistillo said:
I didn't see anything remotely close to a "snit". And no Chesley, doesn't toot his own horn alot. There are a lot of people I know that if they pulled that off, they would crow and crow.:)
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Hell I would, that was a one in 10,000 sort of deal, that's like winning the lottery lucky, and he made it look easy. He should crow more! He earned it.

By the third winter or so, people would hate me because every anecdote would begin with, "so we were headed into the Hudson...":sarcasm:
 
WacoFan said:
I'm not sure about Sully, but I can personally say that Skiles is not only a solid, humble guy but he is funny. He joined a small forum that I belong too and his avatar is a goose with a circle and slash through it and the words "Goosestopper" below. He mentioned that he was looking for a Waco and everyone on the forum started posting pics of Waco's on floats, etc. His birthday happened recently and the forum mod's thread was titled "Happy Birthday Goose Boy".

Anyway - he slings it all back at us. Now, nobody asks him about the Hudson because he is there for Waco stuff and probably gets sick of it, but he is a really cool guy.
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One of my best buddies at the company met Sully in the crewroom at DCA. Said he is the humble, relaxed and specifically told my buddy it was a team effort, and that if he mentioned anything to anyone, mention that. Second hand I know, but from a totally credible source. At any rate neither of them has sought the public eye and have done pretty well in the manner in which they dealt with it. I hope he sells a lot of books.
 
WacoFan said:
I'm not sure about Sully, but I can personally say that Skiles is not only a solid, humble guy but he is funny. He joined a small forum that I belong too and his avatar is a goose with a circle and slash through it and the words "Goosestopper" below. He mentioned that he was looking for a Waco and everyone on the forum started posting pics of Waco's on floats, etc. His birthday happened recently and the forum mod's thread was titled "Happy Birthday Goose Boy".

Anyway - he slings it all back at us. Now, nobody asks him about the Hudson because he is there for Waco stuff and probably gets sick of it, but he is a really cool guy.
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You sure it's not airalgier?
 
Obviously he's going to take some advantage of his celebrity to further his (pre-existing, I might remind you) business. And I'm sure he has at some point or another phrased something in such a way as to hurt the feelings of whoever might on the edge of their hair-trigger waiting to be offended. But for the most part, he doesn't seem like a shameless self-promoter, and he was the guy who was flying the thing when he managed to put it in the water without killing anyone. I'm not ready to worship at his altar, but I do think most if not all of the stones thrown his way have at least the appearance of sour grapes.

I do wonder what's at the heart of the dispute. William Langewiesche is the son of Wolfgang, who wrote "Stick and Rudder", and is no slouch himself in the aviation credentials department. Would be interesting to hear the Story Behind The Story
 
Orange Anchor said:
Many have noted that in a highly automated airplane (b757/767 and on, Airbus A320 family) automation has reduced workload where it was already low and increased workload where it was already high. One only has to be given a last minute runway change in wx to know the drill to bring up a different approach from the FMS. On old machines, it is just a twist of the knobs to tune a new freq.
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excellent point- one that I hadn't thought much about

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WacoFan said:
I'm not sure about Sully, but I can personally say that Skiles is not only a solid, humble guy but he is funny. He joined a small forum that I belong too and his avatar is a goose with a circle and slash through it and the words "Goosestopper" below. He mentioned that he was looking for a Waco and everyone on the forum started posting pics of Waco's on floats, etc. His birthday happened recently and the forum mod's thread was titled "Happy Birthday Goose Boy".

Anyway - he slings it all back at us. Now, nobody asks him about the Hudson because he is there for Waco stuff and probably gets sick of it, but he is a really cool guy.
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+1

Skiles was out at our gliderport a few months ago for a few flights and was a really nice guy. I even had the pleasure of running his wing on a few launches.
 
I've seen people sit at B&N reading for HOURS on end. Then promptly close the book, not even put it back where they found it and leave.
 
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