Checking the Logbook

[Dugie8]

That's what I did at Piedmont. Doing it leg by leg would have required a large stack of logbooks. One day per line, multiple ships in the comments. I never kept track of the crew pairings or flight numbers. When I got to ATI I started logging one month per line, now flying air ambo I log one transport per line.

 

[drunkenbeagle]

I have this picture of a future in which regional airlines hire pilots who have "the requisite experience" with a wink and a nod, pretty much abrogating the entire point of the experience requirements which were purchased with so much effort and not a little bit of blood.

*shrug* If I were ever (God between us and Evil) in a position to hire anyone, you'd best believe I'd be spending at least a few minutes looking at the logbook and deciding whether what it contains looks Probable, or at least Possible.

It has happened before. It certainly happened when I was learning to fly back in the 90's and you needed 3,000 hours to work at some crappy commuter carrier. I don't see how anything has changed, other than there being arguably more incentive to cheat now.

When it has come to either employing me or checking me out for insurance (indirectly for employment), no one has ever looked at my logbook. Actually, the only time I remember anyone looking closely is when it was a CFI getting paid by the hour for a checkout.

 

[drunkenbeagle]

I organize mine by date or by ship, whichever changes first. I'll have one entry with the tail number, multiple flight numbers, and destinations listed XXX-XXX-XXX-XXX.

Has anyone ever had any issues like this? I have a feeling its just people in the training department who don't get out much.

I do mine exactly the same way (not part 121). The only difference is that I log gliders one flight per line (flights are more relevant than legs in the glider world), but I'll probably move those to a separate logbook someday.

 

[dasleben]

Somewhat related, I was wondering how all the other RJ pukes (or others who do many flights in one day) organize their logbook.

I recently went into my ATP ride and both of the instructors I showed my logbook to said I was "doing it wrong" yet I ended up getting my ATP. Most of the people in my groundschool were like "I do that too...never heard any issues."

I organize mine by date or by ship, whichever changes first. I'll have one entry with the tail number, multiple flight numbers, and destinations listed XXX-XXX-XXX-XXX.

Has anyone ever had any issues like this? I have a feeling its just people in the training department who don't get out much.

That's how I log multiple legs. I wonder if those instructors could cite a FAR or GOM reference for you, though I think I know the answer already.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Somewhat related, I was wondering how all the other RJ pukes (or others who do many flights in one day) organize their logbook.

I recently went into my ATP ride and both of the instructors I showed my logbook to said I was "doing it wrong" yet I ended up getting my ATP. Most of the people in my groundschool were like "I do that too...never heard any issues."

I organize mine by date or by ship, whichever changes first. I'll have one entry with the tail number, multiple flight numbers, and destinations listed XXX-XXX-XXX-XXX.

Has anyone ever had any issues like this? I have a feeling its just people in the training department who don't get out much.

Probably. I log individual segments in my electronic logbook, though, and so a printout will have each individual flight listed, along with the particulars (instrument, approaches) noted. It's a lot easier to do 20 segments in 4 days if you do it electronically.

I've never once had any trouble with electronic logbooks during an interview, but I did have someone mention that i needed to do paper totals. (I had about 24 hours total from phone call to the interview, so that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it ).

Aperture (my first flying job) never once looked at it.

American Eagle went over it with a fine toothed comb, but that's because they're American Eagle and that's how they roll.

Legacy ExpressJet glanced at it.

At SkyWest, it was an afterthought - "Hey, can we take a peek real quick?"

 

[zmiller4]

American Eagle went over it with a fine toothed comb, but that's because they're American Eagle and that's how they roll.

No kidding! They took the logbooks for review before they called us in. Then when I went in for the technical, the first thing the interviewer asked was "have you ever logged simulator time as actual flight time?". I had like .7 of FTD time logged as trainer time, so I answered no, to which he stared me down and said "are you absolutely sure?" It freaked me out a little for sure.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

No kidding! They took the logbooks for review before they called us in. Then when I went in for the technical, the first thing the interviewer asked was "have you ever logged simulator time as actual flight time?". I had like .7 of FTD time logged as trainer time, so I answered no, to which he stared me down and said "are you absolutely sure?" It freaked me out a little for sure.

"Does it matter? Sir."

edit: not to sound overly flippant about that sort of thing--I keep mine in accordance with the applicable regulations of course, but people make mistakes.

 

[mikecweb]

No one has ever looked at my logbook except check instructors at Riddle and the FAA on a couple checkrides. Didn't even show it at my ATP ride but that was at the Simuflite Training Vacation Center.

 

[z987k]

Somewhat related, I was wondering how all the other RJ pukes (or others who do many flights in one day) organize their logbook.

I recently went into my ATP ride and both of the instructors I showed my logbook to said I was "doing it wrong" yet I ended up getting my ATP. Most of the people in my groundschool were like "I do that too...never heard any issues."

I organize mine by date or by ship, whichever changes first. I'll have one entry with the tail number, multiple flight numbers, and destinations listed XXX-XXX-XXX-XXX.

Has anyone ever had any issues like this? I have a feeling its just people in the training department who don't get out much.

I'd have just told them it's not their logbook and they can pound sand. After the ride of course though.

 

[JordanD]

For the airline guys that log by leg, is there an easy way to do it other than making a note in your phone or something after you block in? Or is there a way you can sign into something and see it for individual legs?

 

[Autothrust Blue]

For the airline guys that log by leg, is there an easy way to do it other than making a note in your phone or something after you block in? Or is there a way you can sign into something and see it for individual legs?

I keep a little red book with out and in times, and the company's scheduling software also logs it.