Charter woes....

Might be a dumb question but i'm new here. Charter pay any good? It sounds like a good gig to me.
 
It's not my first time. And the company does pay but tge plan was to be out at 6pm. Nice harsh words from a few of you though.
 
avi8tor1983 said:
It's not my first time. And the company does pay but tge plan was to be out at 6pm. Nice harsh words from a few of you though.
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What you posted seems to be exactly what charter is all about. It'd be like me complaining about holding a plane for connecting passengers; it's just part of the game.
 
avi8tor1983 said:
It's not my first time. And the company does pay but tge plan was to be out at 6pm. Nice harsh words from a few of you though.
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Yeah, that that's still 7 or so hours. If the company is paying, that is what you should have done. I don't view people giving you harsh words. Harsh words would be "Suck it up and don't complain about something that is common in charter" or something like that. Nobodies been harsh with you.
 
Some one once told me this. "The boss (customer) is ALWAYS on time. Some days you just might show up to the airport 8 hours early, but their on time"

Once I thought of it like this it made me realize this is why people own or charter, so they set the schedule. Some days you just have to sit around in the fbo for a while. There's plenty of worse things to be doing. I reccomend an ipad, I get lost for hours with mine.
 
You checked out of your hotel at 11AM and wrote this post at 9:37PM. You also mentioned a 3 hour flight home. If this guy didn't show up relatively soon after you wrote the post, how was duty time not an issue?
 
MikeOH58 said:
You checked out of your hotel at 11AM and wrote this post at 9:37PM. You also mentioned a 3 hour flight home. If this guy didn't show up relatively soon after you wrote the post, how was duty time not an issue?
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Checking out of the hotel doesn't start the duty time clock. Just sayin.
 
mshunter said:
Checking out of the hotel doesn't start the duty time clock. Just sayin.
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It's a double edged sword. Checking out of the hotel does not start the duty clock, but arriving at the airport does. If his proposed departure wasn't until 8PM, and the company wasn't providing a room and expected him to delay showing up at the airport then that raises some ethical questions.

If I am on the road and my company is not willing to provide me with a room then my rest period is over and I am now on duty.
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
Hasn't the FAA said that sitting at the airport doesn't count as rest? If it's not rest, it's duty.
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Austin Collins AVEG Series Volume 2 said:
Definition 1: A “duty period” is that period of time between your reported on-duty time and your reported off-duty time according to what you put on your Pilot Duty Record and what you call in to Dispatch for them to log into our computer tracking system . . . regardless of what you actually do during that period! You could be asleep in the FBO snooze room for three hours, for example, but you are still on duty if your PDR (and our computer records) say so. Think of your on-duty time as a wooden stake driven into the ground at one end of the yard and your off-duty time as another wooden stake driven into the ground at the other end of the yard; your duty period would simply be a string tied between those two stakes, regardless of what holes in the yard the string passes over. Moreover, you must be on duty any time you perform any paid function for the certificate holder (Austin’s Air Service, LLC), aviation-related or otherwise.

Definition 2: “Rest” is legally defined in this case as time during which you were off duty for that operator. It doesn’t matter what you do during this time! . . . You could even be flying for compensation for someone else!
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TFaudree_ERAU said:
Hasn't the FAA said that sitting at the airport doesn't count as rest? If it's not rest, it's duty.
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Duty can be a funny thing. You can have "rest", you can have "duty", and you can have not rest or duty. If I park a plane in OAK and duty off at 1800 then grab southwest back to BUR from 2000-2100 my "rest" does not start till I have made it back to base and start driving home. All that matters is when looking backward over 24 hours you can find 10 hours of consecutive "rest." The time on the airline is not rest or duty.... From the moment he left the hotel he was no long on "rest"
 
Did I read somewhere that the new legislation does not allow commuting/driving to and from airport as part of rest period? I used to fly out of HPN and had a 45 minute commute each direction. Technically, rest period began as soon as I duty off. Hour and a half of commuting, plus the time spent when you get home, and wake up the following morning left for some SHORT "rest" periods.
 
samstanton said:
Duty can be a funny thing. You can have "rest", you can have "duty", and you can have not rest or duty. If I park a plane in OAK and duty off at 1800 then grab southwest back to BUR from 2000-2100 my "rest" does not start till I have made it back to base and start driving home. All that matters is when looking backward over 24 hours you can find 10 hours of consecutive "rest." The time on the airline is not rest or duty.... From the moment he left the hotel he was no long on "rest"
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Thats not true unless it is a company deadhead flight.
 
avi8tor1983 said:
I've been sitting at this freaking airport for 7 hours waiting on this guy. I had to check out of my hotel at 11 am or pay for another night. Do people really have this little disrespect for other people? I've got a 3 hour flight home ahead of me and this guy won't give me a time or anything. First he said around 8pm but I'll call you an hour before we are ready to go. It's 8:30. Not a word! Yeah his butt can sleep while I'm up front fighting to stay awake with those damn props doing that sleepy dance. Really how can people be so inconsiderate?! I swear that in any other profession this wouldn't do.
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I understand what you are saying about it being inconsiderate.
I had a planned departure time of 1300 one day. He said he would call if he was going to be late ->No call and his phone was off.
19:45 rolls around and he comes strolling by. I'm often the "paying customer" yet I don't feel entitled to being a jackwagon.
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About the rest. Our POI said that a hotel isn't required for us to get rest. You better believe I understand that is subjective to who you talk to in the FAA.
 
avi8tor1983 said:
I've been sitting at this freaking airport for 7 hours waiting on this guy. I had to check out of my hotel at 11 am or pay for another night. Do people really have this little disrespect for other people? I've got a 3 hour flight home ahead of me and this guy won't give me a time or anything. First he said around 8pm but I'll call you an hour before we are ready to go. It's 8:30. Not a word! Yeah his butt can sleep while I'm up front fighting to stay awake with those damn props doing that sleepy dance. Really how can people be so inconsiderate?! I swear that in any other profession this wouldn't do.
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Next time ask for a late checkout or add the afternoon at a day rate.
 
SpiraMirabilis said:
Thats not true unless it is a company deadhead flight.
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So what your saying is getting to the airport at 6am, hopping on SWA to pick up an aiplane and pax for a 10am departure out of LAS isn't considered duty? Or are you saying that leaving to deadhead home is when duty stops? Because 135.263 (c) seems pretty clear to me.

(c) Time spent in transportation, not local in character, that a certificate holder requires of a flight crewmember and provides to transport the crewmember to an airport at which he is to serve on a flight as a crewmember, or from an airport at which he was relieved from duty to return to his home station, is not considered part of a rest period.
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Seems cut and dry. Am I missing something?
 
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