Change to Student Pilot Certificate Issuance
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I don't see how anything meaningful has changed.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
That's not related to a student pilot certificate. I don't see how this ruling affects an ability to get a SODA.
hook_dupin
Well-Known Member
This is a god send!
How many dudes will win the "I bet I can make you a pilot?" bet?
Think of the panties that will drop....
How many dudes will win the "I bet I can make you a pilot?" bet?
Think of the panties that will drop....
Zondaracer
Well-Known Member
That's a great idea! Thanks!!
MidlifeFlyer
Well-Known Member
The potential legitimate wadded panties problem is the delay in getting the student certificate. This is unfortunately not going to be a system in which a CFI helps a student set up an IACRA account, fills out an 8710-1, prints a temporary and waits for the plastic.
There's no temporary certificate issued. For the typical student it may not be that big a deal. Do it in the first few lessons and (hopefully) by the time the student is ready for solo, he will be security-vetted (whatever that is) and will have received the certificate. The FAA is talking about expediting student plastic but ...
What it does seem to mean is the end of fast-track programs and early solos.
But it will be dealt with. I spoke with a guy who was upset about the impact on students who might not like all the paperwork that needs to be done at the beginning. I pointed out that we already have to do that because of TSA and that it can be marketed in a positive way - who as a student pilot wouldn't be excited about have a "real" pilot certificate?
There's no temporary certificate issued. For the typical student it may not be that big a deal. Do it in the first few lessons and (hopefully) by the time the student is ready for solo, he will be security-vetted (whatever that is) and will have received the certificate. The FAA is talking about expediting student plastic but ...
What it does seem to mean is the end of fast-track programs and early solos.
But it will be dealt with. I spoke with a guy who was upset about the impact on students who might not like all the paperwork that needs to be done at the beginning. I pointed out that we already have to do that because of TSA and that it can be marketed in a positive way - who as a student pilot wouldn't be excited about have a "real" pilot certificate?
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Yeah, ok, so we need IDs that are real. How about a RealID? What yanks my chain is the apparent disconnect between all these different agencies and congressional bill writers' apparent lack of understanding of the activities of all the various agencies they are seeking to direct. In this case, specifically, why doesn't the FAA just issue airman certificates that comply with the prescriptions of the RealID program? We already have that!! Why does the very program that disallows passengers from boarding planes without RealIDs allow those planes to be flown by pilots without them? (I'm not necessarily agreeing with RealID. I'm just saying if you're going to go to all that trouble and expense, why not make it standard and gain the potential efficiencies?) The system is structured such that it creates competition instead of cooperation between agencies. It creates inefficiencies instead of effectiveness in the implementation of darned near anything. But it keeps all kinds of folks employed. The question is, when will the busy-work curve cross the production-of-useful-goods-and-services curve, cause the latter to permanently negatively inflect and bring down the whole shootin' match?
hook_dupin
Well-Known Member
CFI: I bet I can get you a pilot license
Girl: No way?! You're full of BS.
CFI. Nope. Completely serious. I need some information from you. Can we meet for lunch tomorrow? Bring your passport... I need to verify your citizenship.
Girl: Ok.
-------------- Next Day---------------
Girl: Here's my passport. I still think you're full of it.
CFI: Fine. Tell you what... I'll make you a bet: if you get a pilot certificate in the mail, then you have to buy me dinner and a movie.
Girl: Deal
Fixtur
Dunning-Kruger Expert
Just seems like a big waste of time and effort to fix something that didn't need fixing.
There are TSA requirements for training foreign nationals, but why is there aneed to screen US citizens also? Is someone flying a 1,700 lb. C152 capable of intentionally inflicting more damage than someone who can legally drive a 12,000 lb. cargo van at 85mph, or legally buy a Scary Black Rifle?
There is a need for security, but there comes a point of diminishing returns, and I think we crossed it a long time ago.
Thinking about it from the FAA's perspective - doesn't this add a huge extra workload to the FSDO without a commensurate budgetary increase? That can't make them very happy.
Fix
There are TSA requirements for training foreign nationals, but why is there aneed to screen US citizens also? Is someone flying a 1,700 lb. C152 capable of intentionally inflicting more damage than someone who can legally drive a 12,000 lb. cargo van at 85mph, or legally buy a Scary Black Rifle?
There is a need for security, but there comes a point of diminishing returns, and I think we crossed it a long time ago.
Thinking about it from the FAA's perspective - doesn't this add a huge extra workload to the FSDO without a commensurate budgetary increase? That can't make them very happy.
Fix
MidlifeFlyer
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Bear
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https://www.federalregister.gov/art...-00199/student-pilot-application-requirements
Student Pilot Application Requirements
A Final Rule by the Federal Aviation Administrationon 01/12/2016. This rule is effective April 1, 2016.
Student Pilot Application Requirements
A Final Rule by the Federal Aviation Administrationon 01/12/2016. This rule is effective April 1, 2016.
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
For some reason I read this as "I'm on Guuuuaarrrrdddd."
That's a real Todd Gack move right there.