Challenger 300 Turbulence Death - Prelim Released

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

SV = Silicon Valley. "Tech" is the Greek for "tool" in the English. Most folks in most "perfessions" don't know much... 'bout "their" professions/trades, or anything else...'cept what they gits from der Facebook.

Any other definitions you need clarified in order to understand? I'm here to help.

... Just give me a few days to reply... I'm about to go take a "cruise" on a cruise ship with a zip line over the cruise ship "jungle". There's even a McDonalds onboard! I reckon I'll be soooooooo happy - live out ALL my dreams of adventure, NOT get colon cancer - and all my prayers will be answered.

Those are certainly all words. Mostly.

 

[SurferLucas]

We have HUD/EVFS at FedEx, and I thought a few other carriers (Horizon and AS?) did as well. I agree it’s pretty amazing, and I am pleasantly surprised how quickly I adapted to it. I use it for every phase of flight, and wouldn’t want to go without it.

Sure could’ve used it in the ASE days!!

QX doesn’t even have HGS anymore (cries in my beer, in a can, made from a Q400)

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

So remember that Truckee crash?

NTSB Releases Safety Alert on the Risks of Circle-to-Land Instrument Approaches | AIN

The NTSB is warning pilots about knowing the risks and being properly trained before opting for a circle-to-land approach.

www.ainonline.com

NTSB Releases Alert on Circling Approach Risks​

This is why I say Corpies……….



In outlining the facts of the Truckee accident, Graham noted a number of issues that were uncovered during the investigation ranging from the fact that:

* four passengers were aboard even though only three were on the manifest,

* the captain was not a U.S. citizen but had an incorrect visa

* the captain and copilot did not appear to have received basic indoctrination training nor an operating manual

* there was no record of a weight-and-balance calculation.

* the operator had its Part 135 certificate for 13 days and this was the first time the crew had flown together.

 

[TUCKnTRUCK]

* there was no record of a weight-and-balance calculation.

* the operator had its Part 135 certificate for 13 days and this was the first time the crew had flown together. [/B]

I’ll give you a stack of balance forms and a full day for you to try to figure out how to load our airplane out of balance

- that being said we still do it for every flight.

I will say it’s not uncommon to have previously unknown passengers, but for a 91 gig that’s really no different than adding a standby passenger at the last possible minute. Add them to the W&b, update the filing and go.


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[MikeOH58]

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Oh 121…

 

[KLB]

Allegiant A320 at Bangor on Mar 20th 2023, lined up with runway edge line for departure

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Oh 121…

Look at this "cowboy" behavior that was happening over at Alaska Airlines back in the day.

FAA Proposes $1.6 Million in Civil Penalties Against Alaska Airlines | Federal Aviation Administration

SEATTLE – The U.S. Department of Transportation’s Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) proposes two civil penalties totaling $1.6 million against Alaska Airlines, Inc. of Seattle, Wash., for allegedly operating aircraft that were not in compliance with Federal Aviation Regulations. In the first

www.faa.gov

Pilots were out there flying planes without emergency lights also. How was this considered safe?

Alaska faces FAA safety fine

Federal regulators have proposed a $500,000 fine against Alaska Airlines for flying a jet without required emergency lighting for two months...

www.seattletimes.com

Ok once or twice is honest mistakes, but now it looks like a pattern.

ALASKA AIRLINE AGREES TO PAY $300,000 FINE (Published 1985)

www.nytimes.com

Alaska Airlines agrees to pay $500,000 over 2010 cockpit fire

Alaska Airlines has agreed to pay $500,000 in civil penalty claims after an electrical fire ignited in a Boeing 737-400 cockpit in 2010 while it was parked at a gate in Anchorage, the Justice Department said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

CNN.com - US - FAA proposes almost $1 million fine for Alaska Airlines - December 5, 2000

FAA seeks to fine Alaska Airlines, Horizon Air

Federal officials are seeking $655,125 in fines against Alaska Airlines and its Horizon Air affiliate for alleged safety violations, including failing to inspect a plane for cracks.

news.yahoo.com

 

[jrh]

I see we are fourteen pages deep and nobody has brought up the mergers/acquisitions happening on the 135 side of the industry yet.

Look around at where most 135/fractional flight hours are coming from. The industry is getting much more consolidated than even a few years ago. NetJets, Flexjet, WheelsUp, Vista, Airshare, etc are huge compared to the mom and pop shops of fifteen years ago.

Lots of pros and cons there, but from a strictly safety perspective, bigger is generally better. More resources, standardization, training, SOPs, etc.

What I'm getting at here is that booking a charter on NetJets (ranked #1 by size) probably has a different level of safety compared to "Prime Jet," ranked #29 by size, without knowing any other details at all.

From an employment perspective, your experiences working at NetJets will probably be quite different from working at Prime Jet too, even though @Cherokee_Cruiser won't fly with you either way.

 

[zmiller4]

From an employment perspective, your experiences working at NetJets will probably be quite different from working at Prime Jet too, even though @Cherokee_Cruiser won't fly with you either way.

I mean, he probably didn’t meet the PIC qualifications to work for either until he had been at the airlines for a decade, so he doesn’t really have a leg to stand on.

 

[Baronman]

So remember that Truckee crash?

NTSB Releases Safety Alert on the Risks of Circle-to-Land Instrument Approaches | AIN

The NTSB is warning pilots about knowing the risks and being properly trained before opting for a circle-to-land approach.

www.ainonline.com

NTSB Releases Alert on Circling Approach Risks​

This is why I say Corpies……….



In outlining the facts of the Truckee accident, Graham noted a number of issues that were uncovered during the investigation ranging from the fact that:

* four passengers were aboard even though only three were on the manifest,

* the captain was not a U.S. citizen but had an incorrect visa

* the captain and copilot did not appear to have received basic indoctrination training nor an operating manual

* there was no record of a weight-and-balance calculation.

* the operator had its Part 135 certificate for 13 days and this was the first time the crew had flown together.

If only the CA had the right Visa this would have been safer! lol. I'm all for getting the correct boxes checked and papers stamped but I'm not sure what it has to do with circling.

 

[TUCKnTRUCK]

If only the CA had the right Visa this would have been safer! lol. I'm all for getting the correct boxes checked and papers stamped but I'm not sure what it has to do with circling.

Because foreign pilots are not capable of the supreme aviation excellence that US naturalized pilots are?

Although tbh I’m not sure if circling is a thing still in easa member states.

I’ll give CC a point though, with approaches incorporating RF legs etc now, there won’t be much use for a circling approach in the future- and that’s probably not a bad thing.


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[ArcherII]

Latam is getting rid of all circling approaches. I can't remember the last time I saw one published. In fact, almost all new airac cycles are eliminating those.

 

[414driver]

I see we are fourteen pages deep and nobody has brought up the mergers/acquisitions happening on the 135 side of the industry yet.

Look around at where most 135/fractional flight hours are coming from. The industry is getting much more consolidated than even a few years ago. NetJets, Flexjet, WheelsUp, Vista, Airshare, etc are huge compared to the mom and pop shops of fifteen years ago.

Lots of pros and cons there, but from a strictly safety perspective, bigger is generally better. More resources, standardization, training, SOPs, etc.

What I'm getting at here is that booking a charter on NetJets (ranked #1 by size) probably has a different level of safety compared to "Prime Jet," ranked #29 by size, without knowing any other details at all.

From an employment perspective, your experiences working at NetJets will probably be quite different from working at Prime Jet too, even though @Cherokee_Cruiser won't fly with you either way.

Biggest difference is you can’t just book a charter on Netjets. Have to be an owner.

 

[KLB]

Biggest difference is you can’t just book a charter on Netjets. Have to be an owner.

You technically can, but it's through EJM which is a Berkshire Hathaway company.

 

[Beep]

Allegiant A320 at Bangor on Mar 20th 2023, lined up with runway edge line for departure

Discover all inside details about what happened during airplane incident Allegiant A320 at Bangor on Mar 20th 2023, lined up with runway edge line for departure

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Oh 121…

 

[414driver]

You technically can, but it's through EJM which is a Berkshire Hathaway company.

Ok. In my just over 4 years I have yet to do one. So it is a very rare thing if it happens. EJM is much more likely to do lift for us on busy days.

 

[KLB]

Ok. In my just over 4 years I have yet to do one. So it is a very rare thing if it happens. EJM is much more likely to do lift for us on busy days.

Most definitely. I've done NetJets charter under EJM brokerage back when I did 135. EJM requirements for charter are a bit more stringent than most though. Most 135 operators have a section in their GOM's specifically addressing EJM mins airports runway lengths, restricted circling approaches, mountainous airports, and etc...

Interesting story. EJM restricts runways to a miniumum length of 5000ft. My clients once flew on NetJets out of K5B2 because we were AOG. I never flew them into K5B2 because it was less than 5000ft long and I couldn't ensure them that I could get them in there on a consistent basis. There second home is 5 minutes from K5B2, but I fly them into ALB. Well NetJets flew them right out of there. I could technically do it legally at my company because our FOM doesn't address min runway lengths. But EJM's does! I found it interesting the NetJets would allow it while EJM doesn't.

The boss asked me why I don't take them into K5B2 and I had to explain all of the performance challenges that our aircraft would have doing it consistently and it would eventually be inconvenient for them if we had to go light on fuel to get out of there and couldn't make his destination without stopping for fuel or not being able to get in there during winter because the runway is contaminated. He understood where I was coming from.

 

[414driver]

Most definitely. I've done NetJets charter under EJM brokerage back when I did 135. EJM requirements for charter are a bit more stringent than most though. Most 135 operators have a section in their GOM's specifically addressing EJM mins airports runway lengths, restricted circling approaches, mountainous airports, and etc...

Interesting story. EJM restricts runways to a miniumum length of 5000ft. My clients once flew on NetJets out of K5B2 because we were AOG. I never flew them into K5B2 because it was less than 5000ft long and I couldn't ensure them that I could get them in there on a consistent basis. There second home is 5 minutes from K5B2, but I fly them into ALB. Well NetJets flew them right out of there. I could technically do it legally at my company because our FOM doesn't address min runway lengths. But EJM's does! I found it interesting the NetJets would allow it while EJM doesn't.

The boss asked me why I don't take them into K5B2 and I had to explain all of the performance challenges that our aircraft would have doing it consistently and it would eventually be inconvenient for them if we had to go light on fuel to get out of there and couldn't make his destination without stopping for fuel or not being able to get in there during winter because the runway is contaminated. He understood where I was coming from.

I’m just waiting to switch planes or for them to cutoff a couple hundred more feet from KSMO so I don’t have to go into there anymore. Saw a large falcon in there the other day. Crazy

 

[KLB]

I’m just waiting to switch planes or for them to cutoff a couple hundred more feet from KSMO so I don’t have to go into there anymore. Saw a large falcon in there the other day. Crazy

I didn't even like going in there a few years ago when it was ling enough. The airport authority and city government had made it dangerous with their noise abatement rules and sensors. You have to go nearly idle over the opposite end of the runway in order not to set the sensor off. Well that throws all of your performance numbers out of the window after that.

These are the challenges that the 121 guys that have never flown corporate can't identify with.

 

[dustoff17]

……………

All the astronauts on the Challenger died a horrible fiery death because of a perceived pressure to make Ronald Regan happy about blasting a teacher into space and the perception their space vehicle was unreliable. So NASA goes out of limits on temperature for launch. Intentionally. Multiple times. At the NASA flight department.

……….

STOP!!!!
The post “accident” investigation revealed that this Challenger flight was the 5th or 6th shuttle flight with a fuel leak. The leaks were known LONG before Reagan was President!

In some far left field position, I guess you could state that the TEACHER died because of Reagan pressure but clearly not ALL of the astronauts……. but even this statement would be both over dramatized and an overreach.

 

[form810]

So remember that Truckee crash?

NTSB Releases Safety Alert on the Risks of Circle-to-Land Instrument Approaches | AIN

The NTSB is warning pilots about knowing the risks and being properly trained before opting for a circle-to-land approach.

www.ainonline.com

NTSB Releases Alert on Circling Approach Risks​

This is why I say Corpies……….



In outlining the facts of the Truckee accident, Graham noted a number of issues that were uncovered during the investigation ranging from the fact that:

* four passengers were aboard even though only three were on the manifest,

* the captain was not a U.S. citizen but had an incorrect visa

* the captain and copilot did not appear to have received basic indoctrination training nor an operating manual

* there was no record of a weight-and-balance calculation.

* the operator had its Part 135 certificate for 13 days and this was the first time the crew had flown together.

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Then again, what legit frat boy manager doesn't know there's always a giant crash after a giant party?

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