CFI's - Have you ever told a student you don't want to fly?

Re: CFI's - Have you ever told a student you don't want to f

Im sorry correct me if im wrong but did u say u have been working on your complex since the end of oct.? Seriously one flight and it would be done.. Gear goes up, gear goes down.. doesnt come down pump and wave ur wings to people on the ground..:) Really I dont know the whole story but I have flown with Capt I dont like and Ive flown with students I have liked less than others. Sounds like something else was on this guys mind or he is really just that unprofessional.
 
Re: CFI's - Have you ever told a student you don't want to f

Should've taken one flight. Done and done. Seriously.
He wouldn't do it though... I tried asking him.

I have never fired a student. I was a one man flight school with an office, insurance and my own mouth to feed. I was willing to work with anyone. I had a good group of focused and motivated students I was able to get their ratings fast, I also had the group of wanna-be-pilot losers. Its a sad way to describe them but I somehow attracted the people that wanted to be a pilot when they grew up, but did not have the focus or maturity to ever make it happen. As an example one student who started flying at 18 was still working on his solo at his mid 20s. He'd give me a big chunk of money (to him) and then show up late and unprepared, then spend a lot of the session talking about things other than aviation.

I would sit them down for an LF conversation. Subjects covered: I have you scheduled for two hours, I will be billing you for two hours, you can show up when you want and talk about what you want. I would describe how hard it is to become a career pilot. A college degree is easier than an aviation career, this is not an easy way out. I am willing to take your money but I won't sign you off for anything until you are up to my standards. If you are not ready to focus and commit to this you should quit wasting your money, spend it on your car, in a bar or on your flight sim computer. A few I managed to get them a rating, some quit, some just kept muddling along. Even though I needed the income flying with people who did not put the effort into it, was the worst part of my day and I often came home complaining to my GF.

Among the people I never signed off for anything was my business partner. After owning a flight school for 3 years he was never more than a student pilot. I had to cancel his checkride at least 2 times that I can remember because he did not show up for the 3 flights I told him it would take to get him ready. He'd call up 9 months later expecting to be ready for a checkride with one more flight.

Unless you are unprepared, or unsafe I feel your CFI owed it to you to complete your training and not waste your money. NAFI has a code of conduct, probably worth the paper it is written on. Your club may also have a way to make sure this guy does not give someone else the run around. Look for more feedback from your instructors after each flight, you should have realized this guy was impatient with you and looked for another instructor before it came to this. I would suggest staying away from grumpy old instructors. Come in very focused and knock out the sign off with a new instructor and move on.

I'm an 18 year old college student, I'm still unsure why I never got the endorsement regardless since he said that it was just a matter of hours and not competency(which in this case is re: insurance reqs).
 
Re: CFI's - Have you ever told a student you don't want to f

Ok I called it on the age thing. Being a 17-18 year old student (or are you a private?) pilot means there's automatically a stigma working against you that you're a kid and you're irresponsible, which is a bias you'll have to overcome by showing up incredibly prepared and carrying yourself with professionalism. Been there myself.

I'm an 18 year old college student, I'm still unsure why I never got the endorsement regardless since he said that it was just a matter of hours and not competency (which in this case is re: insurance reqs).

Are you serious? You may want to go read the applicable section of the FAR regarding the complex endorsement and get back to us on that. In fact why don't you paste it into this thread. Hopefully I just misread your quote but your lack of familiarity with the FAR governing the endorsement you were working towards seems like kind of a red flag.
 
Re: CFI's - Have you ever told a student you don't want to f

Ok I called it on the age thing. Being a 17-18 year old student (or are you a private?) pilot means there's automatically a stigma working against you that you're a kid and you're irresponsible, which is a bias you'll have to overcome by showing up incredibly prepared and carrying yourself with professionalism. Been there myself.Are you serious? You may want to go read the applicable section of the FAR regarding the complex endorsement and get back to us on that.
To clarify the bolded part, he understands you have to be competent but what I was getting at was he said to me I was competent, just didn't have the hours. After the fact, my assumption is that he was just going to endorse me wants I had the hours that insurance required for solo since anything before that would be worthless. What good is it to have an endorsement if the hours weren't there was his logic maybe?

As far as being 18, I know, I've been flying since I was just shy of 16 so I'm quite familiar with the stigma against people my age. I've had my private for nearly a year and a half now.
 
Re: CFI's - Have you ever told a student you don't want to f

Ok thanks for clarifying, I believe I misunderstood then. When I did my tailwheel endorsement it took about 6 hours, but insurance needed 10 hours before I could solo the airplane. I got the endorsement at 6 hours, and spent the next 4 hours of dual messing around (but continued learning a lot). The endorsement applies to ANY complex airplane, and thus is competency based. Your specific flight school's airplane and solo insurance minimums are completely irrelevant. Do not let that happen next time. 20 hours is a LOT of money. :(
 
Re: CFI's - Have you ever told a student you don't want to f

Ok thanks for clarifying, I believe I misunderstood then. When I did my tailwheel endorsement it took about 6 hours, but insurance needed 10 hours before I could solo the airplane. I got the endorsement at 6 hours, and spent the next 4 hours of dual messing around (but continued learning a lot). The endorsement applies to ANY complex airplane, and thus is competency based. Your specific flight school's airplane and solo insurance minimums are completely irrelevant. Do not let that happen next time. 20 hours is a LOT of money. :(


Dang that seems low! My insurance required me to have 25 hours of tail wheel time to solo and 100 hours to teach and I owned the plane!
 
Re: CFI's - Have you ever told a student you don't want to f

Should've taken one flight. Done and done. Seriously.

I would imagine it depends on student experience. If the student has experience operating a constant speed prop and cowl flaps, it probably wouldn't be much of a learning curve. I hadn't touched a propeller knob or a cowl flap handle until I did my Complex as part of my CSEL training. I would say it took me 4 hours or so to be comfortable in the airplane.
 
Re: CFI's - Have you ever told a student you don't want to f

I need to get an Arrow in a Hot Tub Time Machine!

fholbert probably got grandfathered in. They changed that requirement to read MORE about a decade or so ago....used to be 200 was enough.
 
Re: CFI's - Have you ever told a student you don't want to f

Dang that seems low! My insurance required me to have 25 hours of tail wheel time to solo and 100 hours to teach and I owned the plane!

This same school also has a Great Lakes 2T, Pitts S-2C, Waco, a T-6 Texan and an L-39 available for rental, so I think the insurance mins on a little 7ECA Citabria was not their biggest concern. Like I said, they were worth the commute. :)
 
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