CFII in work

Planedriver28

Planedriver28

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Ok all you fellow CFI & CFII types, please chime in. First off, thanks PGT for the instrument handout. Now:

When I took the 'writtens' for my CFI, I took the Flight / Ground Instructor knowledge test twice. Once, to satisfy one of the requirements of the Flight Instructor Rating, and again (with the additional 12 questions) for the Advanced Ground Instructor Rating. (AGI)

Now I am working on the requirements for the CFII. I am having a hard time finding in 61 where it talks about the CFII requirements. Is the written just a regular instrument written? AND, to get the Instrument Ground Instructor, (IGI) do you have to take the test a 2nd time? I understand that it might seem unnecessary to get the IGI if I am going to get the CFII in the very near future. MY reason is, that I want to teach an instrument ground school, before I take my checkride. I taught a private ground school before getting my initial CFI, and it helped immensely in preparing for that checkride. (passed 1st attempt with OKC FSDO, so I HAVE to believe it helped. :) )

I am looking to hammer this CFII out as efficiently as possible, to reduce cost, but I want to be well prepared as well. Thanks in advance for any input / advice offered.
 
The instrument is the exact same test for the CFII. I took both the same day at the request of my instructor back when I got my instrument. He was like just pay 180 and take both. So I did.
 
I'll ask my favorite question:

What do the regs say?

Since you've already passed your CFI the question should easily be within reach. To save yourself some cash in training I would suggest you study more.
 
You know, there is a reason why I do a lot more reading on here than posting. Apparently, I ask too many stupid questions, and therefore get answers that are more like nut shots than advice/ help. Either I am just tired, and read the last reply reply wrong, or something..... I have searched the regs. Didn't find what I was looking for, otherwise I wouldn't have called upon the collective genius of the masses of this group.
For those of you who wish to offer friendly, helpful advice on this site, I salute you. For those of you who seemingly take pride in belittling folks on here, get over yourself. And lastly, everyone, I beg your pardon for my frustration, I've been studying, and flying all day.

Regards,

GJB
 
esa17 said:
I'll ask my favorite question:

What do the regs say?

Since you've already passed your CFI the question should easily be within reach. To save yourself some cash in training I would suggest you study more.
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I read through the regs and didn't see anything, but my instructor seems to think that I do need one. Just thought I'd ask on here to make sure I didn't miss anything.
 
Planedriver28 said:
I have searched the regs. Didn't find what I was looking for, otherwise I wouldn't have called upon the collective genius of the masses of this group.
For those of you who wish to offer friendly, helpful advice on this site, I salute you.
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OK, don't get your shorts up. I'll give a hand. You're looking for 61.191 Additional Flight Instructor Ratings. That refers you to 61.183 Eligibility, which you did have to become familiar with in order to get your CFI Airplane which is 61.183 (c)(2)(i).
Now you are interested in the (c)(2)(iv) part.
Don't have to do (e) since you're already CFI.
Do have to do (f), reference 61.185(a)(3) which is instrument instructor knowledge test.

As you can see, being an instructor requires that you be very familiar with all of the sub-part H - Flight Instructors, 61.183, 85 and 87, appropriate to the flight instructor rating you are seeking. I have not answered all of your questions, but that will take a few more walking you through the regs.

Follow through on what I have written so far, and make sure you can understand it, and I bet you will be able to figure the rest out for yourself.

If not, I'll give a hand.
 
To make it a short answer-if you want your igi take that written the same time you take your cfii add on written. I did it on the same day and I think it took a total of 45 minutes. Same as agi and the cfia written. It's the exact same thing. Like the other guy said-if I knew I was getting cfii within 2 years of my instrument rating I would have taken it all on the same day. No endorsements needed after commercial written.
 
Planedriver28 said:
Either I am just tired, and read the last reply reply wrong, or something..... I have searched the regs.
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Sorry, but a CFI has no business asking a "what do the regs say" question. If that upsets you, too bad. Being an instructor is something that carries with it a great deal of responsibility.

If you had asked a "how do you interpret" question thats one thing but you didn't. If your feelings were hurt then you need to get some thicker skin and a better understanding of the FARs.
 
The FII exam is taken from the same test question bank as the IRA exam. If you already have your AGI you do not need your IGI beacuse the AGI allows you to give ground instruction for any certificate or rating issued under part 61. If you want a reg to back it up look under privileges and limitations for ground instructors, don't have the book on hand right now.
 
You know, I actually spoke with the inspector I did my initial CFI with, to clarify that very point. I showed him in 61.215 where it said that an AGI 'is authorized to provide - ground training....for the issuance of any certifiate or rating under this part.' He says, 'yeah, but that isn't the FAA's intentions. Thay do want you to have the IGI, to instruct instrument students. He said that will be corrected in future editions of the FAR/AIM. I don't have my 2010 edition here, to see if they changed it yet. Nevertheless, my company reimburses for knowledge tests, so ultimately I am not out anything but a few more mintes time to take the test again.

Thanks for the replies, you especially nosehair, research after reading your post shows it pretty clear.

esa17, your comment "If you had asked a "how do you interpret" question thats one thing but you didn't.", is valid. My EXACT question, was not based on 'general requirements' of the CFII, (which I know), but was the CFII knowledge test and the IGI test, the same. Thanks for your concern about my understanding of the FAR's. Sure am sorry I couldn't find it myself, and had to ask for help.:laff:

Y'all have a great weekend (what's left of it), and thanks again for the help.
 
tjvpa28 said:
The FII exam is taken from the same test question bank as the IRA exam. If you already have your AGI you do not need your IGI beacuse the AGI allows you to give ground instruction for any certificate or rating issued under part 61. If you want a reg to back it up look under privileges and limitations for ground instructors, don't have the book on hand right now.
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That changes on October 20th. The FAA final notice of proposed rulemaking that came out on August 21st removes that privilege. It involves a change to 61.215(b). Its change #76 in the following document. http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-19353.pdf
 
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