CFI & Student in Fatal Crash

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Why do you think that they might have been steep spirals instead of spins???

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Well, from what I have heard, the 172 is probably the most stable of all training airplanes and I noticed on at least the first two that the airspeed indicator was increasing. In a true spin the ASI should read something below stall speed as you can only spin a stalled airplane right. No stall, no spin.
 
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How long did you let the 172 go through the spin before recovering?

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I remember probably 3 or 4 rotations.

Out of all my training I was the most nervous about this flight. Not afraid to say that the thought of a spin scared me until I actually got to do the recoveries during the CFI training. When I was a private pilot my first attempt at a stall nearly ventured over to the world of spins so through primacy I learned that spins were scary. When I went for my spin training I would sum it up like this. The first one I was a bit alarmed. The second one I figured out how it worked. (looking out the window at the center of rotation is better than looking at the instruments) On the thrid spin I got the hang of it and the 4th one was all fun and I wanted to do more!

I feel like if a student puts me into one now I will have no problems recovering and it will not be a big deal. I was just wondering how much "training" others got on this subject since it seems to be one of the more important ones in our training.
 
Yeah, the first time I did spins I was like "How am I gonna know which way to recover." When you look out the front, it's pretty obvious.
 
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Yeah, the first time I did spins I was like "How am I gonna know which way to recover." When you look out the front, it's pretty obvious.

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one big difference which was not reported in any of the news here in cincy, Starting altitude...if its steep spirals or spins, you have better have several thousand feet between you and that rock that is spinning below you.

This crash does sound simiular (sp) to the crash in florida a few years ago in a 172, rented out of DCA, 4 fatal, spun into the ground neer the intercostal waterway east of Orlando, north of Titusville. If I can remember correct, the upper skin of the elevator seperated from the aircraft, and it spun to the ground...only the pictures on this aircraft dont point to that.

The aircraft was, and I may be incorect so feel free to corect me if I am, out of Clairmont County airport NE of Cincy, at the University of Cincinnati/Sporties/Eastern Cincinnati Aviation operation. They are used for part 61 through Sporties/Eastern Cincy Aviation and for the University's part 141. I can understand the sheet over the tail for those reasons...they want to protect the identity of all operators, not to deny responibility, but to deter accusations. I would have to say that I would do the same.

God rest the souls of these two avaitors...for they now fly at an altitude which we all strive toward. With only the grace of God will we all be so lucky to join them in the clear blue skys of Heaven!!!

Feel Free to substatute Alah, Buda, or any other name for the Allmighty

Eric

My prayers are with them.

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Hmmm, brings up kind of a question I have been wondering for a while. For all you CFIs out there, how much spin recovery training did you get while going for your CFI? I was shown one, then recovered another and then entered and recovered from two on my own. So I guess my spin experience was about 4 of them. And this was done in a 172 so even though they felt like spins to me, they were probably just steep spirals.

I'm not saying that this CFI was unprepared or anything (we don't even know for sure what happened). Just kinda got me wondering.
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Any input from others?

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The FAR's dont require it but I do spin recovery with all my private students.That is what my instructor did to me and it suprises me when I pick up a instrument or commercial student and they have never been in a spin. I think all rated pilots should experience them and learn to recover from them.

But thats just me.
 
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