CFI & Student in Fatal Crash
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PorcoRosso
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We hear about these little plane crashes all the time; I guess it could be anyone of us.
Screaming_Emu
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that tail number sounds familiar. Isn't it one of the ones you can see out of the cockpit in that poster of the 172 cockpit that sportys used to give out with their catalogs?
Wild_Weasel
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We hear about these little plane crashes all the time; I guess it could be anyone of us.
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Definitely, around Feb./Mar. when I was taking a few flight lessons the plane I flew in crashed only a day or two after I had flown in it. Luckily no one was seriously hurt in the accident and the plane was salvagable since they were able to set it down somewhere out in the desert; but still it was a quite a bit freaky for me to know that my 5th lesson could have ended terribly.
We hear about these little plane crashes all the time; I guess it could be anyone of us.
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Definitely, around Feb./Mar. when I was taking a few flight lessons the plane I flew in crashed only a day or two after I had flown in it. Luckily no one was seriously hurt in the accident and the plane was salvagable since they were able to set it down somewhere out in the desert; but still it was a quite a bit freaky for me to know that my 5th lesson could have ended terribly.
kellwolf
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"I heard the plane engine fail and looked up and it started spiraling, then hit. There was no response when I yelled," said Crystal Bowers.
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Yeah, gotta go with more than engine failure if it was "spiraling" and going "straight down." Possibly something structural.
"I heard the plane engine fail and looked up and it started spiraling, then hit. There was no response when I yelled," said Crystal Bowers.
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Yeah, gotta go with more than engine failure if it was "spiraling" and going "straight down." Possibly something structural.
Grabo172
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Well, if they were only a couple hundred feet in the air, a stall/spin would look straight down. The incipient part of the spin is basically a wing over with a steep nose down until the spin developes.
The picture I have in my mind of this is, engine failure on climb out, while the student doesn't have enough right rudder, a slow reaction time to nose the plane over to maintain flying speed, stall, spin, slam...
Just be careful out there everyone...
The picture I have in my mind of this is, engine failure on climb out, while the student doesn't have enough right rudder, a slow reaction time to nose the plane over to maintain flying speed, stall, spin, slam...
Just be careful out there everyone...
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N-number : N24779
Aircraft Serial Number : 15280373
Aircraft Manufacturer : CESSNA
Model : 152
Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING
Model : 0-235 SERIES
Aircraft Year : 1977
Owner Name : EASTERN CINCINNATI AVN INC
Owner Address : 4180 TAYLOR RD
BATAVIA, OH, 45103
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 11-Jul-1988
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Utility
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cargopusher
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If the placement of the accident is correct, they were several miles from the airport-
SmitteyB
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that tail number sounds familiar. Isn't it one of the ones you can see out of the cockpit in that poster of the 172 cockpit that sportys used to give out with their catalogs?
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No, but its featured in Sporty's PPL Video Course that I saw someone watching today.
that tail number sounds familiar. Isn't it one of the ones you can see out of the cockpit in that poster of the 172 cockpit that sportys used to give out with their catalogs?
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No, but its featured in Sporty's PPL Video Course that I saw someone watching today.
Sean_S
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That report said a sheet was thrown over the college logo on the tail shortly after the accident. Pretty pathetic that two people die and all some dickhead is concerned with is the bad media exposure the school is getting.
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That’s what I thought, WTF type of person would do that.
That report said a sheet was thrown over the college logo on the tail shortly after the accident. Pretty pathetic that two people die and all some dickhead is concerned with is the bad media exposure the school is getting.
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That’s what I thought, WTF type of person would do that.
kellwolf
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From the pic, it looks like a stall/spin alright. Localized debris area, not a lot of little pieces, those both point to low airspeed. Given the separation point, it's almost classic spin evidence. Damn, that accident investigation class from ERAU actually stuck a little bit....
Timbuff10
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Hmmm, brings up kind of a question I have been wondering for a while. For all you CFIs out there, how much spin recovery training did you get while going for your CFI? I was shown one, then recovered another and then entered and recovered from two on my own. So I guess my spin experience was about 4 of them. And this was done in a 172 so even though they felt like spins to me, they were probably just steep spirals.
I'm not saying that this CFI was unprepared or anything (we don't even know for sure what happened). Just kinda got me wondering.
Any input from others?
I'm not saying that this CFI was unprepared or anything (we don't even know for sure what happened). Just kinda got me wondering.
Any input from others?
kellwolf
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I took some spin training (not for the CFI, so I'll probably have to do it again) in a Citabria, and it was a real eye opener. How long did you let the 172 go through the spin before recovering? I disovered there's a night and day difference between one rotation and four in the Citabria. After two one hour lessons and about nine spins (four of them sprung on me by surprise by my instructor), I'm moderately confident in my spin recovery techniques.
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Hmmm, brings up kind of a question I have been wondering for a while. For all you CFIs out there, how much spin recovery training did you get while going for your CFI? I was shown one, then recovered another and then entered and recovered from two on my own. So I guess my spin experience was about 4 of them. And this was done in a 172 so even though they felt like spins to me, they were probably just steep spirals.
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Why do you think that they might have been steep spirals instead of spins???
Hmmm, brings up kind of a question I have been wondering for a while. For all you CFIs out there, how much spin recovery training did you get while going for your CFI? I was shown one, then recovered another and then entered and recovered from two on my own. So I guess my spin experience was about 4 of them. And this was done in a 172 so even though they felt like spins to me, they were probably just steep spirals.
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Why do you think that they might have been steep spirals instead of spins???
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That report said a sheet was thrown over the college logo on the tail shortly after the accident. Pretty pathetic that two people die and all some dickhead is concerned with is the bad media exposure the school is getting.
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Actually, the investigators do this when on scene. We had a fatal (3) and they taped over the N-number and everything while doing the investigation and for transporting the aircraft. I think it's a good idea.
That report said a sheet was thrown over the college logo on the tail shortly after the accident. Pretty pathetic that two people die and all some dickhead is concerned with is the bad media exposure the school is getting.
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Actually, the investigators do this when on scene. We had a fatal (3) and they taped over the N-number and everything while doing the investigation and for transporting the aircraft. I think it's a good idea.
Maximilian_Jenius
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Whats weird is that I actually attended that school when I went to University of Cincinnati.
Sporties/Eastern Aviation has a partnership with UC for there Aerospace science major. They fly out of Batavia airport! (I69 I believe.)
Think they had three 172's two Archers or Warriors and two or three 152's.
Their planes can in fact be seen from the infamous Sporties 172 cockpit wall poster
All PPL work was done in the 152. Instrument work was perfomed in the 172.
I can't be sure (maybe they bought new aircraft since I flew there) but I bet that I flew in that plane several times for the year that I attended UC East!
-Matthew
Sporties/Eastern Aviation has a partnership with UC for there Aerospace science major. They fly out of Batavia airport! (I69 I believe.)
Think they had three 172's two Archers or Warriors and two or three 152's.
Their planes can in fact be seen from the infamous Sporties 172 cockpit wall poster
All PPL work was done in the 152. Instrument work was perfomed in the 172.
I can't be sure (maybe they bought new aircraft since I flew there) but I bet that I flew in that plane several times for the year that I attended UC East!
-Matthew