CFI needed in TN

MrAviator92

MrAviator92

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Full time CFI needed in Monterey, TN

School is part 61 boarding academy that is looking for a fulltime committed instructor.
They have 4 students already waiting for an instructor with 8 more on standby who have been cleared to fly.
Aircraft is a C-150 and is in the process of registering another Cessna aircraft to the school.

If interested email me PM me.
 
Thanks for info.
But if you are going to hire a flight instructor, make sure that the instructor is paid a living wage. Let the instructor know that while you will do whatever you can to attract business.
 
Jay Rogers, did I miss something in the post for the job...do you have information about the job that wasn't posted? Your comments seem harsh for someone posting a job opening. I know our CFI's make mid 30K to start and most move into the jets in less than a year but our ads would read very similar to the original post. I also know we have been looking to fill a CFI opening for a long time with no luck so it's definitely a good time to be a CFI.
 
lol, as stated above. "If interested email me or PM me."

I am not doing any hiring only recruiting.

Hope that answers any of your queries.

Jay Rogers said:
Thanks for info.
But if you are going to hire a flight instructor, make sure that the instructor is paid a living wage. Let the instructor know that while you will do whatever you can to attract business.
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Not sure I believe your statement about the average worker:

US Per Capita Income
The ACS 1-year shows the per capita income in the United States was $28,889 in 2014, the latest year available. Per capita income data for 2015 will be release in September of 2016.

However it really doesn't matter if we doubled the pay (and rates to match) you would then post that it was so expensive to learn to fly that no one could afford it. Probably should just shutdown our business and layoff the other 15 pilots so they could go get paid what they are worth. Sounds like your saying we would be doing them a favor.
 
I didn't mean for my post to come off as dickish as it did. I apologize.

We could argue the average salary of the American worker all day. Here is what the bottom line is. A thing, no matter what it is, is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. In this case we are talking about a skill, and someone's time.

You know, coming from military aviation I find it strangely odd that one of the first paying jobs you get on the civillian side is instructing, when you barely just learned to fly yourself. I wasn't even looked at as an instructor until I had 1000 hours in the seat, in type, not counting any time I had as a student. And that was just the minimum to be looked at, much less qualified as.

I bring that up to show that if instructors where not allowed to become instructors until they actually had some experience do you still think we would be paying them 30k a year? If the market won't support that then maybe this piloting thing isn't as hard as we make it out to be. Maybe pilots aren't as elite as we think we are.

When your pay is on par with the linemen running around the ramp fueling airplanes with a high school diploma under his belt, how does anyone justify the cost of training as it is now?
 
Don't worry it's all good. Please understand as well I'm all for pilots making more money! I would love to see our CFI's make six figures but right now that's just not realistic (yet anyway). I guess this coming year will be very telling as to what effect the 1500 hour rule will have on the CFI shortage. It will be interesting to see what happens to the general aviation side of our industry. My hope is that it won't reverse things for people with low time. We are used to seeing people getting hired into the airlines without ever being a CFI now what are those people going to do to get 1500 hours..... If lots of pilots need to be CFI's to get time will that drive that already low wage down even more? Guess we won't know the real effect until maybe this summer when the first round of CFI's graduate from the universities and need jobs. Also think it will carry over to the light jet SIC market also since ARG/US & Wyvern require 1000 hours you will see people getting to 1000 hours then hired by a charter operator paid very little because it's a jet and not flight training, do that for a year and then reach 1500 and go to the airlines. At the end (when you reach 1500) I think the money will be better than today but if you have spent years getting to 1500 hour making practically nothing are we really better off...
 
I'm a CFII, and instructors are needed everywhere! I get asked twice a week by other schools to come work for them. I find myself leaning more towards a career CFI. Airlines just look so boring to me, and the CFI work fits my lifestyle much better. I have enough hours to head to the jets, but I'm not going.
 
Galaitoto said:
I'm a CFII, and instructors are needed everywhere! I get asked twice a week by other schools to come work for them. I find myself leaning more towards a career CFI. Airlines just look so boring to me, and the CFI work fits my lifestyle much better. I have enough hours to head to the jets, but I'm not going.
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Start asking for an equity stake in the schools you work at, then.
 
Galaitoto said:
What's the benefit of that ?
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killbilly said:
Because an ownership stake ensures better compensation and generally better work product. It's a longer-term position, both financially and professionally.
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Right... This may be a bit of an obvious statement: Flight schools don't run without CFIs. Those with experience are valuable: so valuable that I believe experienced CFIs should be asking for equity.

Here's my way of moving the line on pilot wages: experienced CFIs should ask "What equity stake are you offering?" as part of their employment discussions. From there, employment discussions should include signing a NDA and a look at the school's books. This type of conversation is standard in the tech start-up world.

Separately, I've wanted to run a flight school as a partnership model like a law firm for some time. That way, the owning CFIs (the "Senior Partners") will be highly vested in creating safe/responsible pilots.
 
hook_dupin said:
Right... This may be a bit of an obvious statement: Flight schools don't run without CFIs. Those with experience are valuable: so valuable that I believe experienced CFIs should be asking for equity.

Here's my way of moving the line on pilot wages: experienced CFIs should ask "What equity stake are you offering?" as part of their employment discussions. From there, employment discussions should include signing a NDA and a look at the school's books. This type of conversation is standard in the tech start-up world.

Separately, I've wanted to run a flight school as a partnership model like a law firm for some time. That way, the owning CFIs (the "Senior Partners") will be highly vested in creating safe/responsible pilots.
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I don't quite understand just yet what this equity stake means, but I will research this because I feel a duty to create safe and responsible pilots. I also want to start my own flight school in the near future. I've had the fortunate experience of basically running the school I'm currently working at. It's been a great experience and I've learned a lot. Being my OCD self, I see many ways to improve the experience for the students. I'm going to fly for westair soon to make some consistent money, then I'm gonna get the wheels turning on my school idea, I know it ain't gonna be easy, and that's okay. I think the hardest part will be finding quality CFI's, or any for that matter. I assume this is where your equity idea comes into play.
 
Galaitoto said:
I don't quite understand just yet what this equity stake means, but I will research this because I feel a duty to create safe and responsible pilots. I also want to start my own flight school in the near future. I've had the fortunate experience of basically running the school I'm currently working at. It's been a great experience and I've learned a lot. Being my OCD self, I see many ways to improve the experience for the students. I'm going to fly for westair soon to make some consistent money, then I'm gonna get the wheels turning on my school idea, I know it ain't gonna be easy, and that's okay. I think the hardest part will be finding quality CFI's, or any for that matter. I assume this is where your equity idea comes into play.
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Equity = ownership. In my view, going in and turning around a flight school like you are doing should get you a cut of the profits and not just whatever salary you're getting. Again, this is standard in other worlds. If you're a start-up firm looking to hire your first software engineer or IT guy, you don't even hope to hire anyone without putting a chunk of the company on the table. I believe quality and experienced CFIs are at that same level.

My concept is something like five CFIs each with a 20% stake. That's for when I retire here in the early 2020s.
 
That would be nice. I'm not a kid, and have to make a living. I have two jobs, fedex and CFI. I only get paid per Hobbs and ground lessons, not for accounting, scheduling, making sure the planes get maintained, vacuuming the carpets, leaf blowing the front of the school, walk ins etc. Its a shame that I can't make a living here. My friends offer me a job at their school, better pay and even benifits. But, if I leave my school the owner will sink, I'm too loyal, I can't help it.
 
Galaitoto said:
That would be nice. I'm not a kid, and have to make a living. I have two jobs, fedex and CFI. I only get paid per Hobbs and ground lessons, not for accounting, scheduling, making sure the planes get maintained, vacuuming the carpets, leaf blowing the front of the school, walk ins etc. Its a shame that I can't make a living here. My friends offer me a job at their school, better pay and even benifits. But, if I leave my school the owner will sink, I'm too loyal, I can't help it.
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Yeah. That is not good. The owner is taking advantage of you.
 
Galaitoto said:
..if I leave my school the owner will sink, but I'm too loyal
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This puts you in an incredible negotiating position. If you're essential to the business, then you should ask for a 33% equity stake at least on top of your instructing wages.

This situation would never happen in a restaurant: servers or line cooks wouldn't just start mopping after hours because the restaraunt is on the ropes. Why are pilots different?
 
Most law firms would require a buy in to become a equity partner.

As an example lets say the school makes a profit of $50,000 per year before EBIDA [Earnings Before Interest, Depreciation, and Amortization]. Multiply that by a conservative multiple of four and you getting company value of $200,000 a 33% stake in the company would be worth $66,000. That's a pretty good signing bonus for a flight instructor. While I agree with you the majority of start ups giveaway equity, the start up has no value to that equity before there's a proven profitable business.

You can simplify my example by imagining a flight school with single aircraft. Imagine a CFI asking for 33% of the aircraft during the interview without buying into the company. I do believe your idea has merit, however instead of an equity position, perhaps profit-sharing would be a better way to structure the deal. Profit-sharing allows the owner to keep the equity in the company should the flight instructor leave for other opportunities and for the CFI it limits the liability or the downside that an equity stake would open you up for. Remember anyone that owns part of the company would be liable for all debts liens or losses not to mention the worst case scenario of an accident.
 
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