cfi minimum time = 500?

Imagine what this would do to the acadamies like ATP. People dont seem to mind dumping $30000 to get all their ratings... but $60000??? To go on and make $12k a year for an indefinate amount of time??? It doesnt add up.
 
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Imagine what this would do to the acadamies like ATP. People dont seem to mind dumping $30000 to get all their ratings... but $60000??? To go on and make $12k a year for an indefinate amount of time??? It doesnt add up.

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Hey, I resemble that remark. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Imagine what this would do to the acadamies like ATP. People dont seem to mind dumping $30000 to get all their ratings... but $60000??? To go on and make $12k a year for an indefinate amount of time??? It doesnt add up.

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Hey, I resemble that remark. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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We've got a couple of Jesse Jacksons around here... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Get to 1200TT and then get as far away from flight instructing as you can.

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Maybe the FAA should consider raising the minimum time for CFI...
 
Not true---because then they would have to render the part 141 programs as well. In 141 programs you get your commercial at 190-200! And I know we aren't required to get up to 250 for CFI now!
 
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And I know we aren't required to get up to 250 for CFI now!

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yep, under part 61 and 141 all you just need a commercial certificate, no specific total time hour requirements are set. Part 61 can get a commercial in 200 hrs TT (50 sim hours toward commercial 61.129(i)(1)(i)) and then get a CFI right after that.
 
It'll never happen. Way too many people would lobby against it. The times will remain the same. CFIs will actually get paid decent money before this ever happens. In other words itll never happen
 
Seriously, this would really really put a damper in a lot of peoples' careers. Personally, I couldn't afford an extra 200-250 hours to build towards a CFI ticket. No way.
 
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Seriously, this would really really put a damper in a lot of peoples' careers. Personally, I couldn't afford an extra 200-250 hours to build towards a CFI ticket. No way.

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Ditto here. I'd quit. I'd have to.
 
It all depends on what side of the fence you're on. Once you have your CFI, and begin working as an instructor, you may change your mind! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

If you check the FAA statistics, you will see there are currently 7 CFI's for every 9 student pilots. A little thinning of the herd might help those of us that are career flight instructors. I had 480 hours, with 321 being multi, when I got my CFI initial, and I still spent considerably less than going to the academies. I also got all that time and had my CFI in 9 months.
 
How did you get all that time in just 9 months? I am four months into it and have 117tt with 9 multi....there is no way I can beat that record
 
I treated my training like a full time job. I flew every day it was possible. During my time building at Ari-Ben Aviators I had one day that I flew a total of 15 hours, from noon one day until 6:00 am the following morning. Most nights at Ari-Ben I got in at least 8 to 10 hours.

I Started on February 1st, in Savannah, Georgia. I had my Private with 52 hours by March 15th. I flew daily until I arrived at Ari-Ben Aviators on April 15th with 90 hours. I left Ari-Ben on August 29th with 418. I went to Knoxville, TN. and finished up CFI,CFII and MEI in 2 more months with 480 total. I bought a PA28-161 while I was doing my CFI and leased it back to the school so I could fly whenever I wanted after that almost for free. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
That's how Aviator does all of the time building for the Pro Course. The Dutchesses are available for time buidling from 6pm to 6am. Some people would only fly until midnight and quit. I wanted to get done, so I flew every night, all night. The 15 hour day was only because we had a fellow come down from Daytona at noon that needed a partner, so they called me in early because they knew I was a fanatic. The sooner you get the 100 hours of time building done, the sooner you got on to the commercial and instructor ratings. It's the same way ATP does it. I paid for an extra 100 hours of multi while I was there because I didn't plan to stay there to instruct. I flew 210 hours in one month (July 10th to Aug 8th) during the night time, time building phase. I think I'm close to one of the records for Aviator.
 
I had my monthly FAA meeting yesterday. I had lunch with some ofthe inspectors. None of them have heard anything about a 500 hr requirement, or anything about touching CFI regs at all. In fact, the sport pilot CFI is only going to require 150 hrs.
 
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It all depends on what side of the fence you're on. Once you have your CFI, and begin working as an instructor, you may change your mind!

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Believe me - I don't idealize instructing as the be-all end-all for me. If there were another way to build hours (in my area), I'd do it. But there's not, so instructing is it.... and I've committed a considerable amount of time and money to make sure that my future students are not slighted in the least.

I plan on doing the best job I can do.

That said, the reason I said I'd have to quit if the minimums were raised to 500 is pretty simple: I currently have just over 270TT/29.1 ME. I cannot afford another 230 hours of just flying around to go make less than $15K a year.... simply to build hours.

Thankfully, if John Tenney's info is accurate (and I have every reason to believe it is), this is a non-issue and I should be instructing within a month or two.

Just my $0.02.

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In fact, the sport pilot CFI is only going to require 150 hrs.

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Great, then its really going to be the blind leading the blind (not that it isn't in some cases already). /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
Don't get me wrong... I see the reasoning behind it. In fact, I've even said that I thought the FAA had it COMPLETELY backwards by ALLOWING low-timers to teach others how to fly. Never made since to me, but since that's the way it is, that's the way it is.

But, now that I'm close to "my turn" to instruct, to hear something like some asshat wants to raise the minimums tends to be a bit frustrating.
 
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But, now that I'm close to "my turn" to instruct, to hear something like some asshat wants to raise the minimums tends to be a bit frustrating.

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I think the mins should be 750 TT to instruct.......

.....and anyone that desires to fly at night should be instrument rated. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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and anyone that desires to fly at night should be instrument rated.

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/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif The former operaters of the FBO at the airport I fly out of had that very requirement for renters. No IR, no night flying.
 
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