CFI initial qualified?

Blip16

Blip16

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ok, i don't quite meet the 24/200 qualifications yet. but my mind isnt' working tonight, if i was originally issued on 09/2005 that makes me qualified 09/2007, right?

now the real question, the 400 given w/ 80% pass rate. My current pass rate is 80% on the nose, i have 400 given, and the regulations also say something about ground instruction given? Ok, pretty sure i meet the 40 hours of ground training done, and then some. now what about the part about the "pass the required initial and recurrent flight instructor proficiency tests, in accordance with the requirements of the part under which the FAA-approved course is conducted,"???
(h) Qualifications of the flight instructor for training first-time flight instructor applicants.

(1) The ground training provided to an initial applicant for a flight instructor certificate must be given by an authorized instructor who—
(i) Holds a current ground or flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating, has held that certificate for at least 24 months, and has given at least 40 hours of ground training; or
(ii) Holds a current ground or flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating, and has given at least 100 hours of ground training in an FAA-approved course.
(2) Except for an instructor who meets the requirements of paragraph (h)(3)(ii) of this section, a flight instructor who provides training to an initial applicant for a flight instructor certificate must—
(i) Meet the eligibility requirements prescribed in §61.183 of this part;
(ii) Hold the appropriate flight instructor certificate and rating;
(iii) Have held a flight instructor certificate for at least 24 months;
(iv) For training in preparation for an airplane, rotorcraft, or powered-lift rating, have given at least 200 hours of flight training as a flight instructor; and
(v) For training in preparation for a glider rating, have given at least 80 hours of flight training as a flight instructor.
(3) A flight instructor who serves as a flight instructor in an FAA-approved course for the issuance of a flight instructor rating must hold a current flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating and pass the required initial and recurrent flight instructor proficiency tests, in accordance with the requirements of the part under which the FAA-approved course is conducted, and must—
(i) Meet the requirements of paragraph (h)(2) of this section; or
(ii) Have trained and endorsed at least five applicants for a practical test for a pilot certificate, flight instructor certificate, ground instructor certificate, or an additional rating, and at least 80 percent of those applicants passed that test on their first attempt; and
(A) Given at least 400 hours of flight training as a flight instructor for training in an airplane, a rotorcraft, or for a powered-lift rating; or
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it is a little convoluted, but:

if you're giving ground training to a cfi applicant using part 61 guidelines, then:
1) The ground training provided to an initial applicant for a flight instructor certificate must be given by an authorized instructor who—
(i) Holds a current ground or flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating, has held that certificate for at least 24 months, and has given at least 40 hours of ground training and:

a flight instructor who provides training to an initial applicant for a flight instructor certificate must—
(i) Meet the eligibility requirements prescribed in §61.183 of this part;
(ii) Hold the appropriate flight instructor certificate and rating;
(iii) Have held a flight instructor certificate for at least 24 months;
(iv) For training in preparation for an airplane, rotorcraft, or powered-lift rating, have given at least 200 hours of flight training as a flight instructor

so, there's your 24/200 and 40 of ground..to do it under part 61.

to use your part 141 guidelines to teach an initial cfi:

you must hold a current ground or flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating, and have given at least 100 hours of ground training in an FAA-approved course. and:

(3) A flight instructor who serves as a flight instructor in an FAA-approved course for the issuance of a flight instructor rating must hold a current flight instructor certificate with the appropriate rating and pass the required initial and recurrent flight instructor proficiency tests, in accordance with the requirements of the part under which the FAA-approved course is conducted, and must meet:

(i) Meet the eligibility requirements prescribed in §61.183 of this part;
(ii) Hold the appropriate flight instructor certificate and rating;
(iii) Have held a flight instructor certificate for at least 24 months;
(iv) For training in preparation for an airplane, rotorcraft, or powered-lift rating, have given at least 200 hours of flight training as a flight instructor

the 24/200 part again above..but ground is 100 hours given..

or:

 (ii) Have trained and endorsed at least five applicants for a practical test for a pilot certificate, flight instructor certificate, ground instructor certificate, or an additional rating, and at least 80 percent of those applicants passed that test on their first attempt; and
(A) Given at least 400 hours of flight training as a flight instructor for training in an airplane

hope this helps. not an easy reg to sort out! ;)
 
in other words, you have to wait until your 24 months to be eligible for part 61 cfi initial instruction, but you will qualify to do under part 141 if you pass your proficiency tests with your present 400+/80%..just need to make sure you also have the 100 hours of ground given.
 
exleardriver said:
in other words, you have to wait until your 24 months to be eligible for part 61 cfi initial instruction, but you will qualify to do under part 141 if you pass your proficiency tests with your present 400+/80%..just need to make sure you also have the 100 hours of ground given.
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so over 40 total ground given won't count towards a 141 requirement? because i know i have that met, probably close to 70-80 hours, it would have had to have been just 141?
 
so over 40 total ground given won't count towards a 141 requirement? because i know i have that met, probably close to 70-80 hours, it would have had to have been just 141?
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it counts toward the 100 hrs. required if you're working with the initial cfi applicant under part 141..just have to wait until you have the full 100. once completed, you can do an initial without meeting the 24 month requirement. after 24 months, you will qualify to do it under part 61. funny, huh? anyway, this is my interpretation of what you've shown.
 
exleardriver said:
it counts toward the 100 hrs. required if you're working with the initial cfi applicant under part 141..just have to wait until you have the full 100. once completed, you can do an initial without meeting the 24 month requirement. after 24 months, you will qualify to do it under part 61. funny, huh? anyway, this is my interpretation of what you've shown.
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too confusing. i will be 24month qualified in 6 weeks, so that will be good enough!
 
yeah, it is! sure..get started with one under part 61 and before you know it, you'll meet the 100 hours ground for part 141. good luck! i love doing a cfi initial myself.
 
exleardriver said:
yeah, it is! sure..get started with one under part 61 and before you know it, you'll meet the 100 hours ground for part 141. good luck! i love doing a cfi initial myself.
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i am guessing i have the 100 hours of ground, but i don't keep a log of that so i can only guess. i have trained 6 people complete to checkrides, and have another 5 or 6 i am still working with
 
if you use the 'senior pilot' logbooks that are on the market there's a column for ground instruction given. i also have a record of ground given in my invoicing..separate columns for flight and ground at the same rate of pay. a typical flight will have anywhere from maybe 0.2 to 0.5 ground..unless i'm doing ground only it may be 1-2 hours at a time. start keeping track..perhaps you can come up with a reasonable estimate of the hours. i count pre-flight and post-flight briefings as ground instruction and feel ground is critical to a students' success. good luck! :)
 
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