Cessna Vs. Piper
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Lemme try the "Aussie" thing.
A Cutlass Supreme is a car that the blokes drive that the Sheila's wouldn't fancy. Kind of old and outdated. But the Nissan Sentra is a little sassier that the younger Sheila's wouldn't mind too much if the bloke had it going for him, mate!
A Cutlass Supreme is a car that the blokes drive that the Sheila's wouldn't fancy. Kind of old and outdated. But the Nissan Sentra is a little sassier that the younger Sheila's wouldn't mind too much if the bloke had it going for him, mate!
Alchemy
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High wing airplanes are harder to land, in my opinion, but landing a low-winger can be tricky for a pilot who has only flown high-wingers.
In cessnas the roundout and flare are more deliberate and prolonged. You have to keep adjusting the amount of back pressure or you will get a 3-point or nose first landing. Good landings are often made with the stall horn sounding and main wheels touching simultaneously. The trick is to find that happy medium between landing nose first and rounding out too high. Low-wing airplanes need to carry a bit more speed all the way to the ground, and have more of a floating tendency in ground effect (wings closer to the ground). In the hersehy-bar wing pipers you can chop the power and maintain a relatively constant amount of back pressure on the yoke, the airplane will float in ground effect and touch down smoothly. In cessnas, you will be constantly adjusting and increasing back pressure in the flare, and it's not uncommon to hit the rearward limit of yoke movement.
In cessnas the roundout and flare are more deliberate and prolonged. You have to keep adjusting the amount of back pressure or you will get a 3-point or nose first landing. Good landings are often made with the stall horn sounding and main wheels touching simultaneously. The trick is to find that happy medium between landing nose first and rounding out too high. Low-wing airplanes need to carry a bit more speed all the way to the ground, and have more of a floating tendency in ground effect (wings closer to the ground). In the hersehy-bar wing pipers you can chop the power and maintain a relatively constant amount of back pressure on the yoke, the airplane will float in ground effect and touch down smoothly. In cessnas, you will be constantly adjusting and increasing back pressure in the flare, and it's not uncommon to hit the rearward limit of yoke movement.
KhalReblic23
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Wow....that was entertaining Doug
lol
As for the difference, i started my training in a piper and moved onto the equivilant cessna once i started college. I like the feel of the cessna better, simply because for me I have a better feel for my approaches when i can see really well out the perefery (sp) without wings down there. But not to sound like a hypocrite, but i totally enjoy the Piper Seminole also which is low wing. So I guess its hard to say. All those early trainers are pretty benine so i dont think you'll see much of a difference in control, but more a difference in "feel" because of the altered perception from different wing positions.
As for the difference, i started my training in a piper and moved onto the equivilant cessna once i started college. I like the feel of the cessna better, simply because for me I have a better feel for my approaches when i can see really well out the perefery (sp) without wings down there. But not to sound like a hypocrite, but i totally enjoy the Piper Seminole also which is low wing. So I guess its hard to say. All those early trainers are pretty benine so i dont think you'll see much of a difference in control, but more a difference in "feel" because of the altered perception from different wing positions.
gomntwins
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Alchemy covered the landings pretty well.... but there are some notable differences in the air also. One thing that's amazing about a Cessna is its ability to flew extremely slow without stalling it. It's actually a little unnerving getting a Cessna to stall if you're used to flying a low wing aircraft... a Cessna will keep flying at 35-40 knots without stalling, so you really get that those up there before it buffets and stalls (the electric flaps on a Cessna are amazing). Overall it seems like a Cessna flys a lot flying characteristics then a Piper... they just seem to handle better (ground reference maneuvers just seem to go a lot easier in a high wing... I can't really say why though), fly better, fly faster, and overall, are more fun (just my opinion). At the same time, I've always found a Piper a lot easier to land then a Cessna. I'd say, take a crack at both Piper's and Cessna's... and come to your own conclusion
RiddlePilot
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As Doug pointed out (I think
), overall control feel is very different between Pipers and Cessnas. For VFR ops, I'll take a Cessna any day. Being able to one-finger-fly the thing is cool. Very light. A Piper is a great IFR platform for the opposite reason. Very sturdy and stable, like a truck.
Grabo172
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One thing in a Warrior that is weird for a Cessna Pilot to get used to is the Oleo (I think that's right) struts on ALL 3 wheels... sometimes when you land, one of the main gear struts will sink lower than the other and you feel like you're riding in a lowrider with some kickin' hydrolics... (pimped out, if you must
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but usually after you complete your roll out and turn off the RW it straightens itself out.
but usually after you complete your roll out and turn off the RW it straightens itself out.
mtsu_av8er
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A Cessna feels a lot like an Nissan Sentra and a Piper feels more like a Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme.
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Awesome analogy, Doug!!!
A Cessna feels a lot like an Nissan Sentra and a Piper feels more like a Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme.
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Awesome analogy, Doug!!!
mtsu_av8er
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Haha, i think i get the jist of the joke, but i dont know what a nissan sentra is, or the other one either....hehe
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Did you know in Japan, the early 90's model Nissan Sentras weren't called Nissan Sentras? It was the Sunny Super Saloon.
No kidding....
Haha, i think i get the jist of the joke, but i dont know what a nissan sentra is, or the other one either....hehe
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Did you know in Japan, the early 90's model Nissan Sentras weren't called Nissan Sentras? It was the Sunny Super Saloon.
No kidding....
pilot602
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It's actually a little unnerving getting a Cessna to stall if you're used to flying a low wing aircraft... a Cessna will keep flying at 35-40 knots without stalling, so you really get that those up there before it buffets and stalls (the electric flaps on a Cessna are amazing).
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One can slow fly the Apache (A Piper low-wing TWIN) at 65mph or roughly 55kts and not stall – in buffet, yes, but not stall.
High wing/low wing doesn't determine the stall speed or flying charactersitcs of an aircraft. It's over all powerplant/airframe design that determines performance.
Stick enough HP on a barndoor and it will fly ...
It's actually a little unnerving getting a Cessna to stall if you're used to flying a low wing aircraft... a Cessna will keep flying at 35-40 knots without stalling, so you really get that those up there before it buffets and stalls (the electric flaps on a Cessna are amazing).
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One can slow fly the Apache (A Piper low-wing TWIN) at 65mph or roughly 55kts and not stall – in buffet, yes, but not stall.
High wing/low wing doesn't determine the stall speed or flying charactersitcs of an aircraft. It's over all powerplant/airframe design that determines performance.
Stick enough HP on a barndoor and it will fly ...
donttouchanything
New Member
I've always thought flying a Cessna, was akin to driving my dad's car. Boring, predictable, a bit sluggish and not very sexy. I've never flown a Piper, but I by far prefer a low wing.
rv7
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a Cessna will keep flying at 35-40 knots without stalling
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Exactly which Cessna will fly at speeds this low? I would imagine that a 150/152 would have the lowest stall speed of them all and i believe that it stalls at 43kts. dirty. Don't get me wrong, 43kts is still very low, but that's also a big difference than 35kts.
Hey I like the smileys....is this one supposed to be Grimace from McDonalds? and what is Grimace anyways? I always thought he was an eggplant
a Cessna will keep flying at 35-40 knots without stalling
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Exactly which Cessna will fly at speeds this low? I would imagine that a 150/152 would have the lowest stall speed of them all and i believe that it stalls at 43kts. dirty. Don't get me wrong, 43kts is still very low, but that's also a big difference than 35kts.
