Cessna Citation missing, Cherokee County, GA 2/8/2020

Itchy said:
Certainly not out of the realm for an average pilot to deal with though. I have to think there is more.
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In what appears, maybe, to have been convection... but yeah, hard to fathom how a partial panel would engender this result.
 
CFI A&P said:
By no means am I trying to be an E-NTSB investigator, just repeating what was posted elsewhere. There was some speculation that it was probably icing related and someone came along with “actually there is liveatc audio...”
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Wasn’t directed at you so much as the other forum you mentioned
 
Crop Duster said:
In what appears, maybe, to have been convection... but yeah, hard to fathom how a partial panel would engender this result.
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I mean... really? Have you been around aviation recently? I don't think it's much out of the realm that partial panel in convection takes someone out. People don't have those skills anymore, and scoff at you when you meantion such things being atrophied.
 
z987k said:
I mean... really? Have you been around aviation recently? I don't think it's much out of the realm that partial panel in convection takes someone out. People don't have those skills anymore, and scoff at you when you meantion such things being atrophied.
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Quite right, lad. The scoffing abounds.... more or less in inverse proportion to the skills. Silly rabbits... tricks are for kids.
 
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Every second PT in the sim should be replaced by getting in something cheap and jet-powered (I hear the Guatemalans just got themselves a Hawkersauras...) and getting a little dirty with some partial panel, stalls, etc. Whether we admit it or not, we all know that our basic skills atrophy massively in a transport category jet (I'm no exception). And while sims have their place (certainly, the OTHER half of the PTs should still be in the sim for "systems integration", etc. ), there's no replacement for being in an actual airplane, going actual airplane speeds, and feeling what it's like to be in the positions you don't want to be in with people's families in the back.

OK, fight me!
 
Boris Badenov said:
Every second PT in the sim should be replaced by getting in something cheap and jet-powered (I hear the Guatemalans just got themselves a Hawkersauras...) and getting a little dirty with some partial panel, stalls, etc. Whether we admit it or not, we all know that our basic skills atrophy massively in a transport category jet (I'm no exception). And while sims have their place (certainly, the OTHER half of the PTs should still be in the sim for "systems integration", etc. ), there's no replacement for being in an actual airplane, going actual airplane speeds, and feeling what it's like to be in the positions you don't want to be in with people's families in the back.

OK, fight me!
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I suggested a Pitts S2 or Extra 300 with a competent acro CFI would have been far cheaper and a way better learning experience than the upset recovery training we did in the sim. People really didn't like that idea. A bunch even said they'd be terrified to be in such a machine. I guess not remembering their jet is also an all attitude machine.
 
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