Cessna 172S model Flap settings

...this issue went away with the K model....
If the issue "went away" then there wouldn't have been a reason to limit the flaps to 30 on the P and later models.

The issue with go arounds were a minor issue. The Flap/tail issue has been well known for 50 years. It is even an issue with B model 170s.

"for example, was the case for some of the earlier Cessna training airplanes with flaps that could be extended to 40 degrees. In these aircraft, when full flaps were used in combination with a forward slip, an airflow disturbance across the horizontal stabilizer and elevator could result in a dangerous loss of pitch control during the approach. The POH stated, "Slips with full flaps prohibited."
In later models the maximum flap travel was limited to 30 degrees and this restriction was removed. (The POH for the 1986 Cessna 172P still says to "avoid slips with flaps extended.") However, even though slips with full flaps are no longer prohibited, you may still see a caution in your POH to avoid slips with full flaps for a variety of reasons, including the possibility of airframe buffeting or pitch oscillations. "
http://flighttraining.aopa.org/magazine/2009/January/200901_Features_Slip_Solution.html
 
If the issue "went away" then there wouldn't have been a reason to limit the flaps to 30 on the P and later models.

The with slips is still listed as a warning in the POH in the 172S. The flaps went to 30 degree's when they increased the max gross, because they probably couldn't meet the requirements of 23.77(a) with 40 degrees of flaps and the additional weight.
 
The 172 S model I teach in says 10, 20 and 30 degrees of flaps right on the flap handle. No 40 degrees of flaps

Good job Ben... I was waiting for one of these idjits to go out to the plane and actually take a look at the PLACARD ON THE FLAP HANDLE!!!!!
 
If the issue "went away" then there wouldn't have been a reason to limit the flaps to 30 on the P and later models.

The pitch down with full flaps went away with the larger vertical stabilizer on the K model, according the the author of "Cessna, Wings for the World". The author was William Thompson who spent spent 28 years at Cessna as an engineering test pilot and Manager of Flight Test & Aerodynamics.
 
The pitch down with full flaps went away with the larger vertical stabilizer on the K model, according the the author of "Cessna, Wings for the World". The author was William Thompson who spent spent 28 years at Cessna as an engineering test pilot and Manager of Flight Test & Aerodynamics.

Actually, it was the "L" model; the "K" as the last model that had the pitch down problem, and it was the dorsal fin that fixed the problem, rather than merely the vertical stabilizer. Here's the entire excerpt:
With the advent of the large slotted flaps in the C-170, C-180, and C-172 we encountered a nose down pitch in forward slips with the wing flaps deflected. In some cases it was severe enough to lift the pilot against his seat belt if he was slow in checking the motion. For this reason a caution note was placed in most of the owner's manuals under "Landings" reading "Slips should be avoided with flap settings greater than 30° due to a downward pitch encountered under certain combinations of airspeed, side-slip angle, and center of gravity loadings". Since wing-low drift correction in cross-wind landings is normally performed with a minimum flap setting (for better rudder control) this limitation did not apply to that maneuver. The cause of the pitching motion is the transition of a strong wing downwash over the tail in straight flight to a lessened downwash angle over part of the horizontal tail caused by the influence of a relative "upwash increment" from the upturned aileron in slipping flight. Although not stated in the owner's manuals, we privately encouraged flight instructors to explore these effects at high altitude, and to pass on the information to their students.

This phenomenon was elusive and sometimes hard to duplicate, but it was thought that a pilot should be aware of its existence and know how to counter-act it if it occurs close to the ground.


When the larger dorsal fin was adopted in the 1972 C-172L, this side-slip pitch phenomenon was eliminated, but the cautionary placard was retained. In the higher-powered C-172P and C-R172 the placard was applicable to a mild pitch "pumping" motion resulting from flap outboard-end vortex impingement on the horizontal tail at some combinations of side-slip angle, power, and airspeed.
However, the book also says:
To eliminate the previously mentioned "pitch pumping" in flaps-down sideslips, the 40 degree flap setting was reduced to 30 degrees on the C-172RG, C-172P, and C-172Q.
 
I have a 172S POH right in front of me. 30 degrees.

I also love the 40 degrees. On a short field with full flaps and 50kts, those things fall out of the sky.
 
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