Cathay working on single pilot long haul

I agree. You’ll be fine. But people in this thread literally said it will never happen. Even you have to admit that that’s nonsense.
We went to the moon in the 60s. We're still pumping out "advanced" 737s. Aeronautical advancement isn't exactly on an upward trajectory. Aviation has gotten stupid safe, why introduce the biggest possible risk factor? To save labor costs? Efficiencies in design and alternative fuels are much better for the bottom line.
You love your Tesla, i'd buy one if i didn't live on a boat. But that autopilot is designed to replace the weakest link in auto crashes, the human. Pilots are some of the most highly trained professionals on the planet, why try to eliminate them. The cost savings isn't that great.

Less dooming, more photos in front of tanks....
 
We went to the moon in the 60s. We're still pumping out "advanced" 737s. Aeronautical advancement isn't exactly on an upward trajectory. Aviation has gotten stupid safe, why introduce the biggest possible risk factor? To save labor costs? Efficiencies in design and alternative fuels are much better for the bottom line.
You love your Tesla, i'd buy one if i didn't live on a boat. But that autopilot is designed to replace the weakest link in auto crashes, the human. Pilots are some of the most highly trained professionals on the planet, why try to eliminate them. The cost savings isn't that great.

Less dooming, more photos in front of tanks....

The few crashes that do happen...are all caused by apes. Maybe you think they don't matter. But I think when combined with labor costs, they do. A whole lot.
 
The few crashes that do happen...are all caused by apes. Maybe you think they don't matter. But I think when combined with labor costs, they do. A whole lot.
Our company employs over 600,000 people worldwide. You think the board and shareholders rather eliminate 5200 pilots or have a clean energy fleet. Carbon neutral by 2040 gets more press than we saved money by not having pilots.
 
Our company employs over 600,000 people worldwide. You think the board and shareholders rather eliminate 5200 pilots or have a clean energy fleet. Carbon neutral by 2040 gets more press than we saved money by not having pilots.

You act as though these things are mutually exclusive. They are not. I can assure you, your company is always looking for every avenue of shaving costs. And 5,200 pilots with industry-leading pay, work rules, and benefits are extremely expensive. Your contract is worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.75 billion every single year. That's almost 10% of the company's entire net profit. You can bet your ass they'll eliminate you if they can.
 
You act as though these things are mutually exclusive. They are not. I can assure you, your company is always looking for every avenue of shaving costs. And 5,200 pilots with industry-leading pay, work rules, and benefits are extremely expensive. Your contract is worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.75 billion every single year. That's almost 10% of the company's entire net profit. You can bet your ass they'll eliminate you if they can.
And what's the yearly cost to run a 400 airplane fleet autonomously worldwide, with routes as diverse as Tijuana - San Diego to Memphis - Dubai. With zero security risk and network outages causing delay.

It's so choice that now that you're out of the game you think of pilots as only a cost center and not what we bring to the table.
 
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And what's the yearly cost to run a 400 airplane fleet autonomously worldwide, with routes as diverse as Tiajuana - San Diego to Memphis - Dubai. With zero security risk and network outages causing delay.

It's so choice that now that you're out of the game you think of pilots as only a cost center and not what we bring to the table.

Meh. I don’t think he’s wrong. I’ll be okay for my remaining 28 yr career. But I don’t think I would push a piloting career to my kids, and certainly would not for my grandkids generation.
 
Is it possible? Absolutely, there is no question it CAN be done. The real question is, SHOULD it be done? Let’s start with passenger perception. People won’t do it. At least not in large numbers for the airlines to sustain any kind of profit. You’ll begin to see those TSA daily passenger numbers begin to roll back, big time, and stay there.

Passengers are already scared enough as it is with flying in general, they are not going to get on an airplane with no pilots upfront unless you give them lots and lots of alcohol, maybe a few nerve pills in addition, both before and during the flight. But then you will have the problem with a lot of drunk passengers getting into arguments/fights in the sky. I could see a lot of flight attendants in droves updating their resumes and sending out apps to places in other industries. You will lose a ton of flight attendants. Before something like that could ever be done, you would have to ask the general public how they would feel about it. It’s a safe bet to assume they won’t like the idea of it.

There needs to be a lot of changes to regulations as well, which takes 10 years for the FAA to do for just about anything. Good luck dealing with that bureaucratic beast.

And probably the biggest issue is dealing with software problems. You would have to create the best software in the world, that could never fail in any way shape or form. No computer crashes. No glitches. It would have to have the ability to think ‘outside the box’ when the crap hits the fan. Is it going to perform like it’s supposed to? What if it doesn’t perform? Then it’s immediately scrapped, done. At that point the jig is up for the ‘unmanned airplane’ fantasy. Just take one look at the recent Southwest Airlines computer ‘glitch,’ or the pipeline that was hacked, and that’s enough persuasion right there that there’s serious risk to the general public with trying to build airplanes without human pilots. And then of course there’s always the chance the signal could be jammed, or hacked. I’ve talked to many people about this and asked both pilots and non-pilots (except the tech gurus who are so enamored with unmanned airliners) “would you get on an unmanned airplane?” Just about everyone said no. Myself included, I wouldn’t do it. Lol It scares the poop out of me thinking about walking down a jet bridge and getting on an airplane with no pilots. Literally, there are any number of scenarios/emergencies that the software would need to handle, FLAWLESSLY, every time, under the worst conditions, in order for it to be safe.

I just cannot see this ever happening with passenger aircraft, EVER. Maybe, MAYBE with cargo, but not pax ops. I’m willing to bet in 40 years we aren’t going to be any closer to moving in that direction than where we are currently. People were saying that 20 years ago, and where are we?

Also, what’s going to happen when the first airplane goes down?? Then we go back to that public perception issue. The flying public will become very scared to fly on these things. How the heck will the airlines try to remedy that? while at the same trying to crawl out of an economic recession period? as this industry gets hit super hard during hard times. Talk about major damage control that would cost a lot of money to convince people that it’s safe to fly on these aircraft again.

“There are problems to overcome, therefor it will never be done.”

Have more imagination mate.

I’ll take it a step further...

There will be a day when passengers DO NOT WANT human pilots because the AI is just that good and the system just that reliable. It’ll be cheaper to do it this way too.
 
Even though the Space Shuttle (and Soviet Buran) were capability of total autonomous flight, they still had pilots. It's not a matter of capability, but perception of safety and control.

Yup. Which will delay its implementation by an arbitrary amount for a decade or two until public perception comes around.
Let us not forget the horseless carriage was largely seen as a menace to society, a danger, and that these things would be SCREAMING through our towns at 20 MPH at one point.
 
“There are problems to overcome, therefor it will never be done.”

Have more imagination mate.

I’ll take it a step further...

There will be a day when passengers DO NOT WANT human pilots because the AI is just that good and the system just that reliable. It’ll be cheaper to do it this way too.

True.

There will also be a day when fusion energy provides all of our power needs, and there will be a day when we’re traveling around the galaxy without any material wants. None of these things mean anything to me.
 
You’d have to be totally nuts or in such deep denial to believe pilotless airplanes will never happen.
Denial is the refuge of those incapable of thinking beyond the moment. It is not the hallmark of dreamers. It's beyond me how anyone can look at recent history and think "... will never happen."
 
Yup. Which will delay its implementation by an arbitrary amount for a decade or two until public perception comes around.
Let us not forget the horseless carriage was largely seen as a menace to society, a danger, and that these things would be SCREAMING through our towns at 20 MPH at one point.
Turns out it is a menace to society...

"Parking takes up about one-third of land area in U.S. cities; nationwide, there are an estimated eight parking spaces for every car."


It's long been time to stop building our cities and lives around the automobile. No doubt the car will remain useful and necessary but it's time to rethink how much space we give them.
 
“There are problems to overcome, therefor it will never be done.”

Have more imagination mate.

I’ll take it a step further...

There will be a day when passengers DO NOT WANT human pilots because the AI is just that good and the system just that reliable. It’ll be cheaper to do it this way too.
K. You should volunteer to be the first one to get on a pilotless airplane while they are undergoing test flying. You can be the one who tells the general public, “see, they’re safe.”
 
Denial is the refuge of those incapable of thinking beyond the moment. It is not the hallmark of dreamers. It's beyond me how anyone can look at recent history and think "... will never happen."
I am thinking beyond the moment. These are some serious hurdles that are in the way from this stuff ever coming to fruition in my opinion. How do we overcome those challenges is the question. We won’t see these things in 40 years. Can it be done? Absolutely. But you’re going to have to address the issues I mentioned. I just don’t understand why we’re so obsessed with taking pilots away from the airplane. The ‘system’ works fine as it is.
 
K. You should volunteer to be the first one to get on a pilotless airplane while they are undergoing test flying. You can be the one who tells the general public, “see, they’re safe.”

...no. We have test pilots who are a special breed of human for this kind of stuff.

All new tech starts out risky, is tested by folks with balls of steel, then eventually the public is brought in when it’s safe enough.

What exactly is your logic with this post?
 
Turns out it is a menace to society...

"Parking takes up about one-third of land area in U.S. cities; nationwide, there are an estimated eight parking spaces for every car."


It's long been time to stop building our cities and lives around the automobile. No doubt the car will remain useful and necessary but it's time to rethink how much space we give them.

Hey man I’m ALL FOR the tubes from futurama to be a thing! I also wouldn’t be against building a shire and living it up hobbit style either. Either way you wanna go with it!
 
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