Caribbean Cargo Jobs
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z987k
Well-Known Member
Both.
spbrian
Well-Known Member
Please allow me to apply some facts for everybody...
In the last 2.5 years, there have been 4 washouts in the SA-227 Training program, out of over 50 applicants. The first time pass rate is low but those individuals have all been retrained and rechecked successfully.
Remember that airlines are businesses that while need training/checking is a necessary evil is not their primary business motive (ala flightsafety). There are significant time restraints that applicants are expected to fall under to verify progress and little time to retrain necessary skills... Self learning is a necessity along with a good foundating of the basic and more advanced skills.
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
This is a serious problem. Companies are there to make money, yes, and self-learning is necessary, however, the primary business motive of the training department is to produce pilots. If the first time pass rate is low, they're screwing up.
Douglas
Old School KSUX
ppragman
FLIPY FLAPS!
Uhuh, right, so an incredibly high initial fail rate is ok, when most other companies don't have that?
Amflight can do what it wants, but a high fail rate is not something to be proud of.
spbrian
Well-Known Member
When you go to FSI you train to the checkride, and you end up practicing the checkride.. When you come to SA-227 training at AMF you are training to fly that airplane anywhere anytime. The majority of the failures are altitude deviations (descending below MDA, or a published altitude on an approach)...
Got any stats for these "other companies?"
cmill
Cold Ass Honky
Yeah, thats not something i would go around trumpeting. If there is a constant problem with people passing check rides on the first go, and for usually the same things, most training departments would view that as a deficiency in their training and work to solve it. Maybe AMF has done this, IDK.
Then again, people shouldn't need to be trained to not blow through MDAs, or to not go out to AZ to fly some "special cargo." But apparently both are a problem over there.
spbrian
Well-Known Member
Hard to correct a deficiency that never shows up in the training environment (such as altitude deviations).... As always, faults are identified and improvements made to the process but inevitebly, when a checkride comes strange mistakes (sometimes first time ever making that mistake) can be made by individuals for no identifiable reason other than the stress of taking that checkride.. The only consistency is that the failures are in the checkrides but truly, as with any examiner they will tell you that failures are all across the board... Please note, I have not put any stats up and with no reason on what happened to cause the issue or deviation so "the majority" truly could only be one or two.. I would love for a 100% pass rate and the goal is to reach that target...
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
?!?!
I think I'm missing something here.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
I can see the first time pass rate being lower than say on the Najavo or 99 program simply because due to it being an ATP ride in most cases you don't have the opportunity to do the "pause" the checkride -- hey you screwed that up, try again -- up to 3 times like a regular 135 checkride.
z987k
Well-Known Member
Is it 4 out of 50 on the initial, or 4 out of 50 re-checks included? The former is completely acceptable, the latter maybe not depending on the initial failures.
