Cargo Or Passenger

Reek said:
Passenger. Even if you make 90k at a cargo, youll still be making relatively the same as a major passenger, why not have the extra benefit of flying free if its open?
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Huh? Don't FDX and UPS Dispatchers have jumpseat privs to fly on other airlines? I know they can hitch a ride on SWA.
 
Flying Saluki said:
I guess my reply came off sharper than I meant. Yes, I have worked a domestic night freight operation. As I say, the hours were not for me. And while I know that FedEx UPS et al have daytime flights, the majority of their flying is still at night. I supposed if I were younger it might be a different story. But, at my age, were I to go to a freight carrier, it's likely the only light I'd see is the one you walk towards on you way to judgement. :)
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Yeah it will be some time before I can get a normal line on 1st or 2nd shift because our group is pretty young. Thank goodness for the relief line so I can work a variety of shifts because I don't love midnights either. ;-)
 
Pretty sure y'all missed the point as usual... the original comment was he was wanting to travel with family and friends and found that non-revving was easier than always trying to jump on OAL. So...unless they just allow anyone to jumpseat nowadays, a passenger airline with non-rev benefits would be the preferred route to go. And no, I am not talking about ZEDs/ID90.


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Since reading all posts and experiencing bad jump seating availability on passenger airlines. I think my mind is made up. Non reving seems to be not what it once was. As I sit at the gate wondering why didn't I just buy a ticket.
 
Me personally I prefer the midnight shift. Yes I am weird but some of you probably know that.

I don't have and may never get the seniority for a day line and I hate the afternoon shift (no social life and you get the brunt of a lousy atc/weather day).

I gave up being #3 in seniority and a great schedule at my last airline to take my current position. Was it worth it? Yes it was and that is all that matters.
 
F9DXER said:
Me personally I prefer the midnight shift. Yes I am weird but some of you probably know that.

I don't have and may never get the seniority for a day line and I hate the afternoon shift (no social life and you get the brunt of a lousy atc/weather day).

I gave up being #3 in seniority and a great schedule at my last airline to take my current position. Was it worth it? Yes it was and that is all that matters.
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I like the afternoon shift and hate midnights. As far as a social life, it does present challenges but I've found some groups that meet in the morning and I love not having to wake up to an alarm clock, or sleep when the sun is up. I usually work international flights though so the weather/ATC delays are not as widespread as they would be on a domestic desk. I may be getting close to having seniority for a day line but waking up at 4 or 5 in the morning on a regular basis doesn't sound like fun to me. Just like you though, it was definitely worth it for me to make the move and put up with reserve lines and midnight shifts for a few years, until I could hold a line that I enjoy.
 
Burrito said:
It's aviation. Days of the week are irrelevant, "holidays" goes on sandwiches, and what's the point of flight benefits if I'm not going to see the world?

Bring me that horizon.... ;)
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I thought senrioity gives one a favorable schedule. Once at American I'm going to expect a few years before I can get weekends off,
 
CRJInTheHeartOfTexas said:
I thought senrioity gives one a favorable schedule. Once at American I'm going to expect a few years before I can get weekends off,
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Actually, at American you will likely see weekends off from the beginning. L-AA schedule did not have set days off and everyone got at least 1-2 weekends off a month and worked 1-2 weekends a month. L-US has set days off. From what we have been hearing, the L-AA rotating weekends on/off will continue in a JCBA. The only thing that will likely change is the 6 day standard work week with rotating mornings, mids, afternoons.
 
Flagship_dxer said:
Actually, at American you will likely see weekends off from the beginning. L-AA schedule did not have set days off and everyone got at least 1-2 weekends off a month and worked 1-2 weekends a month. L-US has set days off. From what we have been hearing, the L-AA rotating weekends on/off will continue in a JCBA. The only thing that will likely change is the 6 day standard work week with rotating mornings, mids, afternoons.
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Yeah, we have the rotating days off thing where I work also. I kind of like it...gives everyone to have some weekends off occasionally.
 
A lot has already been said about shift times, passenger issues, flow programs, rigid routings versus open skies, and others. I do miss not giving much of a darn about occasional moderate clear air turbulence. I do miss not having to track down an iPad someone left at the gate. I do miss not having to deal much with airport volume, holding, delays, extreme reroutes, and congestion.

But they’re nuisances that ultimately factor into how one in general makes a living in this field. Everyone plays a game to balance out preferences versus nuisances on every desk at every airline for every shift or bid. And no matter where you’re at it might take you a while to get to where you truly want to be with all of your preferences. When you’re junior, the goal many have is just to minimize nuisances!

No desk, shift, or airline will ever be free from nuisance. Indeed, we are in a sense paid to minimize and manage them, and really come into our own with the knowledge on what to do if a flight has progressed beyond the inconvenience of annoyance. When it becomes a matter of danger.

My point now is: swat away nuisances like a fly, try not to draw too many of them, and consider the quality of life that works best for you. Take account of your time on and your time off.

If you have to swat away a few flies every day, it really shouldn’t affect you. It doesn’t matter what pile of poo they came from – there will be flies. This affects most of us. One pile of poo might have a few more flies than the other.

If you find yourself frequently in the position where you’re getting swarmed by flies, well then. Most of the time, you can see the huge poo buffet waiting right next to the entrance door at work and you have time to brace for the buzz.

The poo buffet might be a bit more ubiquitous outside the doors of your friendly passenger carrier. You’ll recognize much of the poo and many of the flies. But when the swarm hits you in cargo, many times there was no sign of poo when you walked in – AND THEY COME FROM NOWHERE! You become the poo.

And you’re never truly free from it. Or the flies.
 
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