Career Ender?

moeflyin

moeflyin

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So I received a phone call from my student this morning... "So, I've got something to tell you. I am a little embarrassed to admit this but I got an OVI (operating a vehicle while intoxicated) charge last night." A little later I found out that he also got a reckless operating charge as well. I was not sure what to tell him other than "That is bad, very bad" My question is, is it a career ending mistake?
 
Probably not, but its going to be a real pain in the ass. Think some of it depends on how far over the limit he was, also.
 
I know a guy flying professionally with two. Both are over 10 years old, but it didn't stop him. Like cmill said though, it was a big pain in the ass for him.
 
Tell him to get a lawyer and see what they can do. Sometimes they can get the charges to get knocked down a notch or so.

Shouldn't become a career ender but he will have to go a different route than the regionals most likely. Most regionals go to Canada and wont hire him.
 
Definitely he should get a lawyer. Additionally, he has only a short amount of time to schedule an administrative hearing with the Ohio DMV to prevent and automatic 6 month suspension of his driving privileges, which is extremely annoying if you're trying to work a fulltime job (especially one to pay off your lawyer bills.)

Additionally, when/if they suspend his drivers license he is going to have to show additional proof of insurance. Its called an SR22 -- its basically just a way for the insurance company to quadruple his insurance rates, so that is going to suck too.

Also, this is not from my personal experience either.
 
Also, he needs to look up the FAA notification requirements. I believe it is 30 days from the date of conviction. If he fails to notify them within the right timeframe, it could be a career ender. Just depends on if the suspension is temporary or permanent...
 
moeflyin said:
So I received a phone call from my student this morning... "So, I've got something to tell you. I am a little embarrassed to admit this but I got an OVI (operating a vehicle while intoxicated) charge last night." A little later I found out that he also got a reckless operating charge as well. I was not sure what to tell him other than "That is bad, very bad" My question is, is it a career ending mistake?
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Rather than focusing on how this guy can "beat the system", I'd seriously question his judgement and decision making if he was in fact DUI as well as reckless driving.
 
People make mistakes, this is not a career ender if he doesn't want it to be. How he responds from this second forward will define him and play a major roll in how successful (or not) he will be in aviation/life. He is likely looking at losing his medical, and participating in the HIMS program if he ever hopes to get it back. 6-12 months before he is considered for a special issuance depending on sponsor AME. Thousands of pilots have been returned to the cockpit and have been quite successful after having participated in HIMS. Aviation isn't his main concern right now though. He should be thanking his lucky stars he didn't kill anyone else/himself during his history of drunk driving. *They say the average drunk driver has driven drunk something like 100's of times before arrested. Most important thing is getting him the help he needs. Not going to be easy, but if he is up for the challenge, who said anything worth it should be?

Goodluck
 
moeflyin said:
So I received a phone call from my student this morning... "So, I've got something to tell you. I am a little embarrassed to admit this but I got an OVI (operating a vehicle while intoxicated) charge last night." A little later I found out that he also got a reckless operating charge as well. I was not sure what to tell him other than "That is bad, very bad" My question is, is it a career ending mistake?
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This is a BIG deal, but "nah".

But it depends on how he handles it...


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I was speaking purely from an Operational "how do I proceed" standpoint. I don't think there's any question but that someone who has found themselves driving seriously drunk, caught or not, pilot or not, needs to do some thinking about their relationship with the bottle.
 
What are the instructors responsibilities after something like this? Is there anything he would need to do to keep instructing him? Any find of legal repercussions if he does?

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moeflyin said:
So I received a phone call from my student this morning... "So, I've got something to tell you. I am a little embarrassed to admit this but I got an OVI (operating a vehicle while intoxicated) charge last night." A little later I found out that he also got a reckless operating charge as well. I was not sure what to tell him other than "That is bad, very bad" My question is, is it a career ending mistake?
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I thought an OVI or DWI or whatever was just a ticket? I thought it was something people got for driving, but were still under the legal limit. It's still probably not good to have on your record, but it shouldn't be too harsh.
 
pntbllr233 said:
I thought an OVI or DWI or whatever was just a ticket? I thought it was something people got for driving, but were still under the legal limit. It's still probably not good to have on your record, but it shouldn't be too harsh.
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I think you're thinking DUI vs DWI (the nomenclature probably varies state to state).
 
"If he has this DUI on his record, I'd be interested to see what else is on his record, or is this the only incident?" - any recruiter.
 
Was he operating a car, or something else like a quad or dirt bike? OVI apple to lots of things, and doesn't have to be on public roads per say...
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
Was he operating a car, or something else like a quad or dirt bike? OVI apple to lots of things, and doesn't have to be on public roads per say...
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Well at least in any state I'm aware of, it's not possible to get a driving X while intoxicated ticket on private land. Especially if it's your own.
 
He was driving an car, and I am not personally sure about the nomenclature either, but he was well over the legal limit.
 
He will also have to answer Item 18v as Yes. This is irrespective of whether or not he is convicted. The mere arrest is a reportable administrative action. He will need to produce the police arrest report as well as the court records for the AME at his next medical. Without the above mentioned records, the AME is prohibited from issuing without reviewing these records and forwarding them to Oklahoma City. If the BAC was > 0.149, the AME must defer the medical and the FAA will make a decision on the certificate. If the BAC is > 0.20, they will send the file to Washington for review in the Federal Air Surgeon's office.
 
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