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sr71

sr71

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Can a Student pilot log the time if they are in the Civil Air patrol?

I say no, but just wanted to verify with everyone.

Thanks
 
Is the student flying with an FAA CFI? And is that CFI providing training and signing the students logbook?
 
Brian Z said:
Why does it have to be a FAA CFI? If they are receiving duel from a CAP CFI, then yes.
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Douglas said:
There is something called a CAP CFI?
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Krieger said:
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dc3flyer said:
Last I checked the CAP didn't issue certificates.
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juxtapilot said:
?
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... and BrianZ furiously Googles "CAP CFI" for vindication...":D

Kidding. Maybe I can clear up the confusion: by "FAA CFI," I mean a CFI certified by the FAA. In otherwords, your garden variety CFI. This CFI may of course happen to be a member of the CAP.
 
61.51(h)

As long as the CAP flight follows this regulation, it counts. Also counts if they are sole manipulator after they get their pilot's certificate.
 
Duel?

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Maybe that's the problem.
 
Ok here's the deal. If you're a CFI in CAP then you're a CFI. Period. There is no such thing as a CAP only CFI, but rather CFI's who are CAP qualified.

However, CAP regs state that the only student pilots (i.e. those who lack a private pilot certificate) who may recieve and log dual instruction in CAP aircraft, are those who are under the age of 18. And even then, I believe the wing commander has to give the ok.

Adult CAP members may only log dual instruction with a CFI in CAP aircraft if they already hold at least a private pilot cert. So if you're an adult you can work toward an instrument, commercial, ATP or CFI cert, but not private pilot, only kids can still do that.
 
Joe Gremlin said:
Ok here's the deal. If you're a CFI in CAP then you're a CFI. Period. There is no such thing as a CAP only CFI, but rather CFI's who are CAP qualified.

However, CAP regs state that the only student pilots (i.e. those who lack a private pilot certificate) who may recieve and log dual instruction in CAP aircraft, are those who are under the age of 18. And even then, I believe the wing commander has to give the ok.

Adult CAP members may only log dual instruction with a CFI in CAP aircraft if they already hold at least a private pilot cert. So if you're an adult you can work toward an instrument, commercial, ATP or CFI cert, but not private pilot, only kids can still do that.
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Eh, yeah, I remember something about that. I gave up on this state's CAP after they begged for pilots and more hours on the airplane, then wouldn't arrange a Form 5 when I offered to drive up to three hours away to meet someone at their convenience. Multiple times. Over two years.
 
Joe Gremlin said:
Adult CAP members may only log dual instruction with a CFI in CAP aircraft if they already hold at least a private pilot cert.
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I'm skeptical that any CAP regulation can control what a member can log. Perhaps the limitation is on what the CFI can provide?
 
tgrayson said:
I'm skeptical that any CAP regulation can control what a member can log. Perhaps the limitation is on what the CFI can provide?
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It's more what the purpose of the flight can be. You can't go up with the intention of training someone for a certificate or rating, but training for CAP functions (like SAR) is done all the time.
 
From CAPR 60-1:
2-8. Pilot Training.
a. CAP cadets and qualified SAR/DR mission pilots are authorized to use CAP airplanes for flight instruction toward any FAA certificate or rating.

b. All CAP members are authorized to use CAP gliders for flight instruction toward any FAA certificate or rating.

c. CAP senior members that are not current SAR/DR mission pilots must obtain permission to receive flight instruction in CAP airplanes toward FAA certificates or ratings as follows:
(1) Senior members who hold a Private Pilot Airplane Certificate or higher and have been an active CAP member for at least 1 year – Wing commander written permission.

(2) All other senior members – Written permission from the wing commander, region commander and the CAP Executive Director is required and may be granted provided the members lives more than two hours driving time from a commercial training facility.
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d. Self conducted proficiency flight guidelines are available for use by all CAP pilots to maintain currency and improve pilot confidence. These recommended guidelines are located on the NHQ CAP/DOV website.

e. Additional mission pilot training flights are authorized under mission pilot proficiency flight profiles located on the NHQ CAP/DOV website. These training flights are Air Force assigned non-reimbursed missions authorized by the State Director, and may be flown only by pilots holding the qualifications stated in the specific profile.
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Interpretation:
  • CAP CFIs may give primary flight instruction in CAP-owned powered aircraft only to cadets. Senior members who live more than 2 hours from a commercial flight school may request approval from CAP national headquarters for a waiver to this policy. Such requests are routinely denied.
  • CAP CFIs may give instruction leading to an instrument rating, commercial pilot, ATP or CFI certificate to CAP pilots (oth cadet and senior) who are certified as SAR/DR Mission Pilots, or have been a member at least one year and have wing commander approval.
  • CAP glider CFIs may give primary or advanced flight instruction in CAP-owned gliders to all CAP members, cadet and senior.
 
tgrayson said:
I'm skeptical that any CAP regulation can control what a member can log. Perhaps the limitation is on what the CFI can provide?
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I would have to say it comes down to, They own the airplane and control what happens in the aircraft.

From the posted regs it seems like TSA's regs that says "no training toward a certificate or rating...". Sounds like and flight review or IPC would still work in CAP aircraft.
 
Maurus said:
I would have to say it comes down to, They own the airplane and control what happens in the aircraft.

From the posted regs it seems like [CAP]'s regs that says "no training toward a certificate or rating...". Sounds like [a] flight review or IPC would still work in CAP aircraft.
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Yes to all three.
 
msmspilot said:
Eh, yeah, I remember something about that. I gave up on this state's CAP after they begged for pilots and more hours on the airplane, then wouldn't arrange a Form 5 when I offered to drive up to three hours away to meet someone at their convenience. Multiple times. Over two years.
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Problem there is that any of their check pilots are going to be CFIs elsewhere. Since they don't get paid for doing any of this, there isn't much incentive to get them done.
 
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