Roger Roger
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The NACO charts were clearly created when someone loaded the appropriate data in a shotgun and fired it at a blank book.
can't faa just approve foreflight?
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Let's see, I'm amortizing a $30MM jet at ~3000/hr and burning fuel at ~$2800/hr. It's those confounded $8 charts that are breaking the bank.
A150K
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They're not ideal and jepps are certainly more user friendly, but it doesn't take all that much to get used to the imperfections of government charts....Any kind of chart on an efb is better than paper anything.
bucksmith
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Other than RADAR overlay, all those problems are solved with FltPlan.com and my routine I do before a trip. That's what they pay me for.
But seriously, my main problem with foreflight is the people that I have flown with that swear by it and then spend 5 min punching buttons trying to get the info I need. They aren't proficient with the OS. Drives me nuts, Jep is easy and simple. On the flight deck, I don't want someone punching thru 10 different screens to get the info when we are 3 miles from the iaf. So, send us to school on this laborious software or give me something with one task bar and everything I need in a pinch on it.
I get paid to know the performance data, FBO freq and rental car situation before I take off. And I use the app for my hotels because I'm a points • and I'm on that.
Foreflight is amazing, I concede that, my gripe is that 5% of the people I have met using it can use it to a professional proficiency level.
Lawman
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Let's see, I'm amortizing a $30MM jet at ~3000/hr and burning fuel at ~$2800/hr. It's those confounded $8 charts that are breaking the bank.
It might be weird in your community, but I’m routinely flying a 49 mil dollar Helicopter where I have to fight to get pubs that aren’t expired because what we order (90 sets of instrument approaches) show up as 6 sets of pubs to distribute to the entire squadron/battalion. Also using fourflight or skyvextor approach plates aren’t technically legal... that’s the kind of crap I’m talking about.
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z987k
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Or how about a graphical depiction of the NAT tracks today... and the next ones. How about the tmi numbers on those? How about every frequency for the next FIR because god knows they won't answer the one you were given.
Foreflight has none of that. It is almost useless as a 121 pilot.
It's aweome bombing around sub 10k vfr though.
Even when I was 135 jepps were the only option because they are the only place to get non published approaches from.
Roger Roger
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PDF copy of the LDA-Z stored in Foreflights document folder. Boom. Doesn’t have the georeferencing but aren’t we disallowed from using that 135/121 anyway because luddites? Your old operator just finished their 6 month trial and is waiting on the final EFB letter from the federales.
You don't have an AWR for iPads for the 64?
deadstick
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“Instrument approaches”...“64”....you’re kidding, right? No wonder they cut corners on sending you pubs. Isn't an IMC flight an emergency that terminates in a PAR?
Jeez. I remember cases of those things arriving. We’d use the same box to toss out the old, almost-never-opened pubs.
Jeez. I remember cases of those things arriving. We’d use the same box to toss out the old, almost-never-opened pubs.
Lawman
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Nope.
There was one a few years back but the way it got published it was only for s specific unit (1-101) to use a specific type (Full size IPAD II) in D model Apaches.
Don’t get me wrong people carry them. I sure as hell do. But that doesn’t cover me legally. And it’s embarrassing and stupid that the military of all places can’t get pubs they need or in the number they need because production doesn’t answer to anybody and commands won’t do what they should do (stop flying) to raise attention to the issue.
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That pubs issue is odd. We don’t have an issue at all getting any pubs. I’m guessing because we order for ourselves at the BN level -betting your order goes through a lot of wickets.
The ipad AWR is a game changer though. That combined with the AR-95-1 changes allowing for electronic pubs has made life a bunch easier for the 60/47 communities. We still carry a single bag of pubs by SOP, but no one usually uses them these days.
Lawman
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Yeah fourflight was the only reason our squadron has made its last few movements successfully. Between being able to plan and change on the go and observe active weather it has saved us from ourselves and allowed us to find a way multiple times. Its sure as heck gonna be in my crew station with the big movements planned for the next couple months.
Pretty sad when an iPad and an internet connection can do way more for you that an integrated moving map and the AMPS
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z987k
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The operator out of Oregon?
Cause we used ipads with both foreflight and jepp from day 1 in with the FAI/ANC/SLC operator.
Roger Roger
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Yes the Oregon one.
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The only place to get non-published approaches??
Jeppesen is a, mmm, er, publishing company. So if Jeppesen publishes the approaches, ergo ...
That said, the approaches are typically published (I mean, where do you think Jepp gets their data?) it's just that you've got to know a dude who can get you into the DGAC building, and he's got to know the dude who distributes the plates. If that dude deems you worthy, then you need really crisp, fresh greenbacks.
z987k
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Most of them were proprietary and owned by a certain company. All you needed was their blessing and the opspec. But Jeppesen is the only place that "prints" them. Non part 97 approaches is the term that C081 uses.The only place to get non-published approaches??
Jeppesen is a, mmm, er, publishing company. So if Jeppesen publishes the approaches, ergo ...
That said, the approaches are typically published (I mean, where do you think Jepp gets their data?) it's just that you've got to know a dude who can get you into the DGIC building, and he's got to know the dude who distributes the plates. If that dude deems you worthy, then you need really crisp, fresh greenbacks.
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