Can a CFII teach in multi aircraft?

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Clipper5895h

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I'm not sure if this is correct but I was told that a flight instructor ONLY holding a CFI/CFII (NOT a MEI) can legally teach and log the necessary training requirements for the instrument rating to a Private/Commercial rated student in a multi-engine aircraft. Please correct me if I wrong!
 
61.195 said:
(b) Aircraft Ratings. A flight instructor may not conduct flight training in any aircraft for which the flight instructor does not hold:
(1) A pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate with the applicable category and class rating; and
(2) If appropriate, a type rating.
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Should answer that for you. This was changed in early 2010.

You now need an MEI to do instrument instruction in a twin.
 
Wow...Thanks guys, so basically just having a CFII would be the most pointless rating to hold. Leave it to the FAA to plug up the holes ;0
 
That's right... I forgot all about this.

Here's another question....

Do you now need the 5 hours in make & model to give instruction towards an instrument rating or ATP in a multi-engine airplane?

Assuming the applicant has a multi engine rating and the CFII is also a MEI?
 
TwoTwoLeft said:
That's right... I forgot all about this.

Here's another question....

Do you now need the 5 hours in make & model to give instruction towards an instrument rating or ATP in a multi-engine airplane?

Assuming the applicant has a multi engine rating and the CFII is also a MEI?
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(f) Training received in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift. A flight instructor may not give training required for the issuance of a certificate or rating in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift unless that flight instructor has at least 5 flight hours of pilot-in-command time in the specific make and model of multiengine airplane, helicopter, or powered-lift, as appropriate.
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No can do.
 
How do you get "just" CFII? Don't you have to have commercial single or multi before getting any CFI/CFII rating?
 
skidz said:
How do you get "just" CFII? Don't you have to have commercial single or multi before getting any CFI/CFII rating?
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"Just" as in that is the only instructor rating. You may have a commercial single/multi, but if you do not have "single-engine" on your instructor certificate you can not teach in a SE period; do not have "multiengine" you can not teach in a ME period.
 
I thought once when you have CFI checkride in a single or multi and you pass, it gets added to your license as CFI single or multi? I'm confused now, do you have to add it after you pass the cfi ride? Isn't that something the examiner puts in? How do you add it? By having another check ride?

KSCessnaDriver said:
Take your CFI-IA as the initial ride. I had only a CFI-IA for about a month, until I added the CFI-ASE to it.
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skidz said:
I thought once when you have CFI checkride in a single or multi and you pass, it gets added to your license as CFI single or multi? I'm confused now, do you have to add it after you pass the cfi ride? Isn't that something the examiner puts in? How do you add it? By having another check ride?
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There are a whole bunch of various CFI ratings a person can have. CFI Single Engine Airplane, Multi Engine Airplane, Instrument Airplane, Helicopter, Instrument Helicopter, Glider, etc... AFAIK, none of them require having any other certificate. You get a separate certificate for CFI as well, so you have a pilot certificate and a instructor certificate.
 
skidz said:
I thought once when you have CFI checkride in a single or multi and you pass, it gets added to your license as CFI single or multi? I'm confused now, do you have to add it after you pass the cfi ride? Isn't that something the examiner puts in? How do you add it? By having another check ride?
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You can do a CFII in a single engine and your flight instructor certificate will just say. Flight Instructor - Instrument Airplane.

It won't specifically list a class, so you are SOL until you do the CFI or MEI.
 
skidz said:
I thought once when you have CFI checkride in a single or multi and you pass, it gets added to your license as CFI single or multi? I'm confused now, do you have to add it after you pass the cfi ride? Isn't that something the examiner puts in? How do you add it? By having another check ride?
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See if this helps:

We tend to refer to "CFI" in conversation as a CFI with an Airplane Single Engine rating, with CFII, CFIMEI being the only ones where we refer to the rating independently. But that's not really accurate.

There is a CFI certificate. Like pilot certificates, CFI certificates have associated ratings. There is nothing the the FARs or FAA policy that insists that your first CFI checkride has to be, for example, a CFI-ASE (a CFI certificate with an airplane single engine rating). It's up to the applicant what to apply for.

Until fairly recently (about a year ago), FAA policy was to permit a CFI whose only CFI rating was "Instrument Airplane" to teach instruments in any airplane that the pilot had a rating for on his Commercial Pilot Certificate. So, a CFI-IA (only) could teach instruments in a twin if the CFI also had a Commercial Pilot Certificate with an Airplane Multi Engine Land rating. But no more.

"Certificate." "Rating." We sometimes tend to use those terms interchangeably, but they mean very different things.
 
JLF said:
(f) Training received in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift. A flight instructor may not give training required for the issuance of a certificate or rating in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift unless that flight instructor has at least 5 flight hours of pilot-in-command time in the specific make and model of multiengine airplane, helicopter, or powered-lift, as appropriate.
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No can do.
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So, technically, as long as it wasn't training for the issuance of a certificate or rating, I could do a Flight Review for the owner of a Baron even though I have no time in a Baron yet?

Cool, cool.
 
Mike H said:
So, technically, as long as it wasn't training for the issuance of a certificate or rating, I could do a Flight Review for the owner of a Baron even though I have no time in a Baron yet?

Cool, cool.
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Precisely.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
See if this helps:

We tend to refer to "CFI" in conversation as a CFI with an Airplane Single Engine rating, with CFII, CFIMEI being the only ones where we refer to the rating independently. But that's not really accurate.

There is a CFI certificate. Like pilot certificates, CFI certificates have associated ratings. There is nothing the the FARs or FAA policy that insists that your first CFI checkride has to be, for example, a CFI-ASE (a CFI certificate with an airplane single engine rating). It's up to the applicant what to apply for.

Until fairly recently (about a year ago), FAA policy was to permit a CFI whose only CFI rating was "Instrument Airplane" to teach instruments in any airplane that the pilot had a rating for on his Commercial Pilot Certificate. So, a CFI-IA (only) could teach instruments in a twin if the CFI also had a Commercial Pilot Certificate with an Airplane Multi Engine Land rating. But no more.

"Certificate." "Rating." We sometimes tend to use those terms interchangeably, but they mean very different things.
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Yeah, I figured it was a pretty recent change what with CFIIs-only, being able to teach instruments-only in a multi with no MEI.

Where I work, we have a number of MEI-only and MEI/CFII only guys.
 
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