Calling all Qualified ATSAT scored test takers

ARTCC said:
I figured I should just add this in since everybody is trying to speculate how the test is graded, from cameras spying on people "sweating bullets", to picking grades out of a hat or throwing darts on a dart board. I spoke to the exam proctor in the hotel lobby room after taking the test. I told him that I felt good about the test except for the ATC scenario simulation, and he told me not to sweat because that is the least weighted part of the test, he told me the personality questions at the end of the test is the most heavily weighted part of the test. I guess that explains why so many people crashed dozens of airplanes and recieved a 90 or higher on the test.

Regretably that means my answers to the personality questions were not favorable to whatever the FAA wants me to be in their own eyes, however it is still passing with a 78.2.
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I think he was just giving you misinformation. I really hope he was just giving you misinformation.

If this is true, then that is LUDICROUS! How the heck can a PERSONALITY profile factor into a NUMERICAL TEST SCORE?!?! If that's the case, then why not just give you a friggin' Meyers-Briggs and not waste your time with the AT-SAT farce? If it is really graded on personality (how well you can 'fake good' and tell the FAA what they want to hear, i.e. LIE) then it is totally ridiculous and borderline discriminatory. How can they tell what is the right "personality" to be a controller? Controllers are cool under pressure because they were TRAINED to be that way, not because they were just BORN calm! The whole idea of it is absolutely, totally absurd.
 
I know it might seem absurd to you because it sounded absurd to me as well. But I also remember reading in these forums that the personality test is important because when you get hired and are finally working at a facility the very people you are working with now are going to be there 20 or more years down the road, if you have a personailty or work ethic issue then that is going to affect everybody in the facility until you quit, retire, or screw up so they have a legit reason to terminate you.

After hearing that it makes total sense to me, plus the personality section is a precursor to the MMPI psychological test that we'll eventually take. There are good reasons why they have that section on the test and I believe being a good fit makes alot of sense to the FAA since they and the canididates are going to invest time at the FAA academy and their new faciltiy they'll be working at. If your not a good fit then all that time is wasted.
 
just my two cents, I second the "no qualified applicants are looked at til all WQ applicants are"... I scored qualified on a former pubnat but confirmed with my "sources" that this is true. Sooooo I waited a year and retook my test today and felt much better the second time around.... kinda like the "step by step" theme song.... WE'LL MAKE IT BETTER! THE SECOND TIME AROUND!!!"

Good luck everyone!
 
flyingwriter said:
I think he was just giving you misinformation. I really hope he was just giving you misinformation.

If this is true, then that is LUDICROUS! How the heck can a PERSONALITY profile factor into a NUMERICAL TEST SCORE?!?! If that's the case, then why not just give you a friggin' Meyers-Briggs and not waste your time with the AT-SAT farce? If it is really graded on personality (how well you can 'fake good' and tell the FAA what they want to hear, i.e. LIE) then it is totally ridiculous and borderline discriminatory. How can they tell what is the right "personality" to be a controller? Controllers are cool under pressure because they were TRAINED to be that way, not because they were just BORN calm! The whole idea of it is absolutely, totally absurd.
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Wow, you might want to take a chill pill. From personal experience, our test date group didn't get our scores back for nearly two weeks when everyone that tested after us had theirs back in 2-3 days.

Also, wouldn't it make sense to ask those "practice MMPI" questions at the end of a stress test disguised as a competency test? I mean, sure, the ability to think spatially, maintain situational awareness, calculate distances and speeds on the fly, etc., are all important, but you will also answer personality questions differently after being put under a stressful situation, and those very feelings could easily tell what kind of person you would be under stress. The nearly-full form MMPI taken during the PEPC or traditional process gauges your baseline. Sounds logical to me.


And besides, I thought everyone knew that the little skater punk helmet-sized cameras on way too-large tripods in the back of the room were a post-9/11 requirement to see if anyone maniacally laughs during the ATC scenarios so the feds can put you on the no-fly list.
 
tblessett said:
I took my test friday and got my score already so that's only one business day. I had hoped to score a 95 or better with the rumors going around. however that did not happen.

I scored 94.2
I know I should be happy all things considered, but I am a lil disappointed.
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:clap::clap:Girl Im over here doin the funky chicken for ya.......:rawk::rawk:
**in my best Tony the Tiger voice** YOU DID GREAAT!!!!
 
tblessett said:
I scored 94.2
I know I should be happy all things considered, but I am a lil disappointed.
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How come? That's a Well Qualified score, meaning it's just as good as someone who scored 100 when it comes to getting you into the Academy (and after that, scores don't mean a thing). You did great, congratulations, have some more Speedway coffee.

ARTCC said:
he told me the personality questions at the end of the test is the most heavily weighted part of the test
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No... the personality section is not figured into your AT-SAT score. That's been made clear by the FAA and several other sources going back over a year now.
 
If ARTCC is from East Providence, RI, he probably tested in NYC, which means he was probably told that by the same guy who told me that Personality was weighted 49%. (I'm Queue on SM.) The RVA guy who said that was very nice, but it seems he might have been misinformed.
 
Uh what about that link that Trojan posted.
Did you guys read that?
It says that all 8 sections are broken up into a total of 22 sections that get weighted for your score. ALL 8.

And it makes sense that they would weigh that part otherwise why is the questionaire even there. The questionaire seems like a small version of the MMPI questions. I do think they use it as a early measuring tool of how crazy you are. I don't think its weighed heavy but i still think its weighed
 
I took my test on 11-4 in Baltimore and still no results :(. The anticipation is killing me, I think i did pretty good but this is making me wonder if for some reason they had to review my test in detail. I think I am just overthinking about it. My friend actually was in the same test as me on the 4th and he still hasn't had a result either. What are the chances that the test is weighted on how well you do on the test versus the other people taking it in the same location same day? It just boggles me if they dont review it somehow or another, why wouldn't they just give you an automatic score on the computer after you are finished? It just doesn't make sense. And my mind is going to wonder untill the day I find out my score.
 
srm1734 said:
Uh what about that link that Trojan posted.
Did you guys read that?
It says that all 8 sections are broken up into a total of 22 sections that get weighted for your score. ALL 8.

And it makes sense that they would weigh that part otherwise why is the questionaire even there. The questionaire seems like a small version of the MMPI questions. I do think they use it as a early measuring tool of how crazy you are. I don't think its weighed heavy but i still think its weighed
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. They are automatic fail type questions. They don't benefit you if you get them right, but they could disqualify you if you get them wrong. In the right situation, they could mean the difference from passing and failing, so they might at well be 100% of the score to someone who fails.
 
Isn't it very easy to give the FAA the answers they want on the personality questionnaire? It isn't hard at all to figure out the answers the FAA wants, so can't you just fake good and get a good score? The MMPI has safeguards against doing that, but I doubt this quiz does.

If the questionnaire is scored, then the strategy is to forget answering honestly, and tell them what they want to hear.
 
flyingwriter said:
Isn't it very easy to give the FAA the answers they want on the personality questionnaire? It isn't hard at all to figure out the answers the FAA wants, so can't you just fake good and get a good score? The MMPI has safeguards against doing that, but I doubt this quiz does.

If the questionnaire is scored, then the strategy is to forget answering honestly, and tell them what they want to hear.
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Maybe. But its still hard to consistently give the answer they want to hear because of the way they reword the same questions over and over. Even in that little quiz I'm sure it would be difficult to constantly misrepresent yourself.
i.e can you work in noisy high stressed environments......yes (cuz thats what you think they want to hear)
can you read a book in a room full of people watching t.v.........uh uh uh

if your answer was truthfully no then they might see that as a inconsistency.

I don't know I'm just sayin.
 
Rosstafari said:
How come? That's a Well Qualified score, meaning it's just as good as someone who scored 100 when it comes to getting you into the Academy (and after that, scores don't mean a thing). You did great, congratulations, have some more Speedway coffee.



No... the personality section is not figured into your AT-SAT score. That's been made clear by the FAA and several other sources going back over a year now.
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I'm not the only one who lives by Speedway coffee, am I? :)

I lost half of my body weight with Speedway coffee.

To everyone who posted the at-sat test help links and such, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.

A thousand times over, thank you..............
The practice test on S.M. comes highly recommended by me.
 
Jess said:
If ARTCC is from East Providence, RI, he probably tested in NYC, which means he was probably told that by the same guy who told me that Personality was weighted 49%.
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I was wondering the same thing. We've got to track that guy down and tell him to stop drinking after the AT-SATs, it's making him talk crazy.

srm1734 said:
And it makes sense that they would weigh that part otherwise why is the questionaire even there. The questionaire seems like a small version of the MMPI questions. I do think they use it as a early measuring tool of how crazy you are. I don't think its weighed heavy but i still think its weighed
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Not necessarily. WoH gave one good reason, almost a pre-psych screening to keep from wasting the time and expense of going through the rest of the process. It could also be statistic sampling; same reason that you'll find questions on race, religion, gender, etc. on various government forms or job applications. It'd be a nice set of demographics to study.

Sphamilton16 said:
What are the chances that the test is weighted on how well you do on the test versus the other people taking it in the same location same day?
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It's not. It'd be just as unfair as if the MCATs, GREs or SATs were graded in the same way, and it makes no sense in terms of evaluating aptitude to see how people did compared to others in the same room on a certain day.

flyingwriter said:
Isn't it very easy to give the FAA the answers they want on the personality questionnaire? It isn't hard at all to figure out the answers the FAA wants, so can't you just fake good and get a good score? The MMPI has safeguards against doing that, but I doubt this quiz does.
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You're probably right, which is why it isn't the primary psych profiling tool. It'd be a poor time to do the "real" profile anyway, given that many test takers will not be selected and they had just finishing a mentally tiring examination (actually, I guess you could make an argument that it might give a good idea of how someone is under stress, but that kind of misses the point of the MMPI).

Which, by the way, is further proof that it's not scored. Every other part of the AT-SAT measures aptitude -- how good you are at math, at spatial reasoning, etc. You can't measure craziness (so to speak) in the same way, nor would it make sense to conduct such an evaluation only to try and group it with a set of completely dissimilar test results. And, without the safeguards of a test like the MMPI, it's too easy to manipulate.
 
i just took my atsat nov. 9th....the tests on the atc-sat.com will prepare you for most of it, the letter factory is rediculous, be prepared that you will not be able to answer most of the questions, just do your best at placing things in the right order...on the scenarios portion, i had at most 9 planes, becareful at least twice the pilots performed the wrong command and caused a seperation error...the math is easier on the practice tests than it is on the atsat, so if you are struggling there it may be tough to do well on that section. Angles and dials, if you can read you should get 100%, analogies take some time to look at, but if you study them close enough you should do ok, think about how the words sound and look for letter arrangement patterns...good luck i hope this helped
 
Sphamilton16 said:
I took my test on 11-4 in Baltimore and still no results :(. The anticipation is killing me, I think i did pretty good but this is making me wonder if for some reason they had to review my test in detail. I think I am just overthinking about it. My friend actually was in the same test as me on the 4th and he still hasn't had a result either. What are the chances that the test is weighted on how well you do on the test versus the other people taking it in the same location same day? It just boggles me if they dont review it somehow or another, why wouldn't they just give you an automatic score on the computer after you are finished? It just doesn't make sense. And my mind is going to wonder untill the day I find out my score.
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i think everyone needs to realx, i took my atsat on 11/9 i do not have my results yet but it takes time to process this. I do think that the personality ?'s have a little to do with it but like everyone is saying, it's a crap shoot on what sections are weight heaviest to lightest...When i took my physical therapy boards it took several weeks to get results, its not because they have to look at your test in greater detail, its just a lot of tests at the same time and it takes a while to post, in the meantime, take a breath your results will be there before you know it....to anyone waiting to get their scores best of luck i hope to see you in OKcity someday cheers:beer:
 
I think its pretty clear that certain sections are weighed more than others. In the ATC Scenarios sections I scored 92, 90, 70 and 49. Thats an average of 75.
However I still scored a 99.8. Go figure that out.

I think that if someone scores a 100 it doesn't necessarily mean they got everything right. In other words two people could have both gotten 100's and one had several more questions right than the other. Its probably more of "rating system" than a "right/wrong" scoring system.
 
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