CAG Relieved
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Pilot Fighter
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It's all about readiness...or something like that.
Pilot Fighter
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When I saw the story, I hoped it wasn't an old buddy of mine. Thankfully, it wasn't.
Rough way to end a nice career.
Pilot Fighter
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The weird part is when your classmates would have to be CAGs or Admirals to still be in the game.I'm weirded out by the thought that one day, CAGs and Admirals will be my bros from growing up. That must be weird
///AMG
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It's weird enough when you start seeing your boys in the O-4 list.......and then you have to remove them from your contacts list
H46Bubba
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That's one of the big things that is a pain in the ass about being in the military. The higher in rank you or your friends go the more people start to drift. I don't know how it is on the O side of things, but on the E side it gets downright nasty when people make rank and are now giving the orders. A lot of animosity and it's very cliquish.It's weird enough when you start seeing your boys in the O-4 list.......and then you have to remove them from your contacts list
It's only as bad as you make it... Guess my job is unique that I get to fly along side two pilots that may or may not outrank me by a decade or two. Some of the most interesting pilot training flights have been when I've gone up alone with the Commodore and the Deputy.
Plus, hoping to continue flying when I retire, I try to keep in touch with all of them, from O-2 through the O-7/8's I've worked with. Military aviation in general has always been a little better about bringing all the ranks together.
As far as the E's animosity, people who rock the boat get noticed... And if you want to be promoted, you need to be noticed. There are those of us out there that aren't so worried about promotion and try to rock the boat in a different direction. Retirement check of a E-7/8 would be a lot sweeter than what I'm going to wind up with, but I've had a great time doing what I've done, without trying to back stab any of my peers.
Pilot Fighter
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I think there's more drama among the enlisted ranks or rates. As far as officers go, there's no real tension until you are eligible for O-4. Then it gets real. Making O-4 is pretty routine but at this point things start to happen that will define the balance of your career. You've ridden a rocket to O-4, only to realize there is a chance you will retire as an O-4. Up until consideration for O-4, you've been too busy to give the future much thought. As you become eligible for O-4, the question of the next ten years is never out of your mind.
///AMG
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Though strangely enough, these days your JO 1st tour fitrep pretty much determines, more than any other fitrep after, whether you will make CO/XO. Granted DH is a big wicket, but you're fighting an uphill battle if you don't get 1/2 EP in my community. At least that is how the it has been explained to me, from PERS-43 as well as front offices past and present.
Pilot Fighter
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I know that the Marines has always been a pressure cooker but I can't imagine things have changed too much in the Navy.
I can see how a bad FitRep could derail command opportunities but in the Navy you have always been allowed to be pretty average early on. Of course, if you are average early on you better hope for a "dare to be great" opportunity. That said, early on everybody gets an idea who looks like a CO.
While certainly exceptional, in the 80's and 90's there were guys that bounced back from a PE Class A Mishap as a JO's to eventually skipper a squadron.
Getting back to the previous question about things getting nasty as a result of the promotion competition. I think that the realization that you won't ever skipper a squadron can have two effects, it can either tear your heart out and forever cloud your attitude or it can liberate you to be the best officer you can be on your own terms.
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bunk22
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Happens....our CAG back in 99 was relieved for a few reasons. CAG Trotter was his name and a total cock. He had threatened some CO's as far as ruining their careers and had sexually harassed one of the female officers. She was the roommate of a pilot in our detachment and the stories she said, as well as was seen from others, was ballsy by this guy.
However, we did get some retribution on this dude before it happened. The airwing was in Dubai and we all were hanging out in the gigantic pool, CAG was there. As the day went along, all of us were drinking to muscle failure but CAG had left but drinks kept coming, for free. Finally asked who was paying for it all and found out someone had CAG's room number. When he went to check out, his alcohol bill for that afternoon was $1500, give or take
However, we did get some retribution on this dude before it happened. The airwing was in Dubai and we all were hanging out in the gigantic pool, CAG was there. As the day went along, all of us were drinking to muscle failure but CAG had left but drinks kept coming, for free. Finally asked who was paying for it all and found out someone had CAG's room number. When he went to check out, his alcohol bill for that afternoon was $1500, give or take
surreal1221
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$1500 alcohol bill seems a little low...you guys couldn't have ran it up to $3000?
Nat E. Dred
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A friend of mine just pinned on O-4, he said the worst of it was when the LTs said to him, "I guess we have to 'de-bro' you now".It's weird enough when you start seeing your boys in the O-4 list.......and then you have to remove them from your contacts list
Pilot Fighter
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That's kinda funny...and badly needed.
///AMG
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When our last training officer promoted last year (training o is a top gun grad who is typically a senior LT and will pin LCDR halfwayish through the tour) I was on duty, and I played the darth vader theme on the ready room stereo right after he finished his oath. We never spoke to him again
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