C70

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F9DXER

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We are having a discussion about C70.

Specifically the bold type

a. The certificate holder is authorized to conduct scheduled passenger and cargo operations between the regular, refueling, and provisional
airports specified in the following table. Except for alternate airports, the certificate holder shall not use any other airport in the conduct of
scheduled passenger and cargo operations. The certificate holder shall maintain a list of alternate airports which can be used and shall not use any alternate airport unless it is suitable for the type of aircraft being used and the kind of operation being conducted.

We have some dispatchers that feel the portion "shall maintain a list" refers to all alternates approved in C70 where others feel it is the airports that show up when you select ALTN (using Sabre).

What do you feel is the correct answer and is there any reference to prove one way or the other.

Thanks​
 
We, in addition to C70, have an appendix in the Ops Specs that is a list of airports we can use for alternates only. Allegedly, any airport on this list we have Jepps coverage, airport performance data, and have looked at to ensure the facilities can handle the type of airplanes we operate. There also sections that list the military airports we're approved to use as weather alternates.

Not familiar with Sabre specifically or hour it is set up for alternate designation. is it a carrier specific group of airports that some one at your airline has chosen or is it just a list of every airport Sabre has in its database for use by all carriers they support?
 
What you mean by C70?

For destination alternate we have two lists: best in fuel destination alternate and commercial destination alternate.
For enroute alternate: we do not have a specific list, we have a list of the enroute alternates that are on board and for each flight flight dispatcher must put the adequate and suitable alternates controlling everithing of them.
Not all airports have on board, but we fly everywhere, so we often check whether an alternate is an adequate alternate and deliver it to our Captain.
 
Ya go by the C70, knowingly using any other airport is a quick way to a Federal Court. Its the airlines managements job to maintain the list in SABRE. Iv seen a few airports pop up in mine every now and then that at one time were in the C70 but were removed from the GOM but not SABRE. If I used one I was guaranteed a visit from our Fed rep.

If you need a reference call your nearest FSDO dispatch inspector, oh and don't mention your name or airline name lol.


"What you mean by C70?"

A C70 is a list of approved regular, refueling and provisional airports that the specific airline can fly in and out of. Unless it is listed there you would be breaking the law by knowingly flying there while operating under 121 domestic/international rules unless it was an emergency. Valentino I saw your other post stating you dispatch in Italy and did not have a US certificate. In the U.S. all airlines have an approved "rule book" called a GOM. This is our laws that state what that airline can and cannot do. It we break those rules its the same as breaking an FAR and in the US a dispatcher is 50% responsible for the flight along with the PIC so what you do and what you tell the pilot is legally binding.
 
In Europe there is no need to have such a list. But It is very interesting. Each company has their list based on their handler or fuel contract (etc.), but I am not aware that they are regulated as for C70. In Italy I am sure that does not happen.

I am aware of the percentage of responsibility, for this, my dream is to work in USA. Here, if a commander does not trust the work that makes a flight dispatcher, put 2000 kg of fuel over and we can not say no. Often it's not nice.
 
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