C550 down in California French Valley Airport

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

KLAS to F70 French Valley, 6 dead.

Not sure the tail number. Only hit on FR24 seems to be N819KR?

6 people die in Cessna plane crash in California | CNN

A Cessna business jet crashed near French Valley Airport in Murrieta, California, early Saturday morning, the FAA said.

amp.cnn.com

 

[fholbert]

Date:	08-JUL-2023
Time:	c. 04:15 LT
Type:	Cessna 550 Citation II
Owner/operator:	Prestige Worlwide Flights LLC
Registration:	N819KR
MSN:	550-0114
Fatalities:	Fatalities: 6 / Occupants: 6
Other fatalities:	0
Aircraft damage:	Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Category:	Accident
Location:	near French Valley Airport (RBK/F70), Murrieta, CA - United States of America
Phase:	Approach
Nature:	Executive
Departure airport:	Las Vegas-Harry Reid International Airport, NV (LAS/KLAS)
Destination airport:	French Valley Airport, CA (RBK/F70)
Investigating agency:	NTSB
Confidence Rating:	Information is only available from news, social media or unofficial sources

Narrative:
A Cessna 550 Citation II jet, N819KR, was destroyed when it crashed during a go around off runway 36 near French Valley Airport (RBK/F70), Murrieta, California.
The six occupants were fatally injured. The flight originated from Las Vegas-Harry Reid International Airport (LAS/KLAS), Nevada.

Heavy fog was reported at the time of the accident.

 

[mightynimbus]

KLAS to F70 French Valley, 6 dead.

Not sure the tail number. Only hit on FR24 seems to be N819KR?

6 people die in Cessna plane crash in California | CNN

A Cessna business jet crashed near French Valley Airport in Murrieta, California, early Saturday morning, the FAA said.

amp.cnn.com

Seems like that is likely the one,
if so it appears to have been a go-around.

TAF at 0700 was .99sm and bkn 300

photo in one story, appears to have perimeter fence on approach to 18 right next to aircraft

N819KR Flight Tracking and History 08-Jul-2023 (KLAS-F70) - FlightAware

Track N819KR flight from Harry Reid Intl to French Valley

flightaware.com

 

[Box hauler]

It is kinda crazy to see how many business jets seem to crash compared to 121 aircraft. Hell even in the business jet world there seems to be a large discrepancy between small or one-off operators compared to someone like Netjets. It’s amazing how much standardization seems to increase safety. This isn’t a jab at the airplanes or the pilots but numbers are numbers.

 

[roundout]

It is kinda crazy to see how many business jets seem to crash compared to 121 aircraft. Hell even in the business jet world there seems to be a large discrepancy between small or one-off operators compared to someone like Netjets. It’s amazing how much standardization seems to increase safety. This isn’t a jab at the airplanes or the pilots but numbers are numbers.

paging @Cherokee_Cruiser

 

[Wardogg]

Well, •. RIP

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

Is it too soon to make a Stepbrothers joke?


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[Wardogg]

Said airplane

 

[RRPower]

It is kinda crazy to see how many business jets seem to crash compared to 121 aircraft. Hell even in the business jet world there seems to be a large discrepancy between small or one-off operators compared to someone like Netjets. It’s amazing how much standardization seems to increase safety. This isn’t a jab at the airplanes or the pilots but numbers are numbers.

Standardization, proficiency, get-there-itis, pressure from the customer/owner/company, operating into small unfamiliar airports without ATC assistance. The list of issues is a mile long. Considering landing at 4am PST, fatigue was probably a factor as well.


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[SteveC]

I think this is the second Citation II we've talked about in the last month or so. Those planes are getting long in the tooth, can be bought relatively cheaply, and are single pilot capable... not a good recipe for finding in quality operations in afraid.

 

[Box hauler]

Said airplane


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Also the fact that it was owned by Prestige worldwide…… seeing all the jokes they had associated with this airplane maybe they didn’t take flying it serious enough.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

It is kinda crazy to see how many business jets seem to crash compared to 121 aircraft. Hell even in the business jet world there seems to be a large discrepancy between small or one-off operators compared to someone like Netjets. It’s amazing how much standardization seems to increase safety. This isn’t a jab at the airplanes or the pilots but numbers are numbers.

“Huh,” he said mostly rhetorically

 

[Fixtur]

Was that thing even LPV capable?

 

[Wardogg]

Was that thing even LPV capable?

LNAV to MDA? Might be why they went missed in the first place.

 

[roundout]

Standardization, proficiency, get-there-itis, pressure from the customer/owner/company, operating into small unfamiliar airports without ATC assistance. The list of issues is a mile long. Considering landing at 4am PST, fatigue was probably a factor as well.


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Part 91 and 135 pilots don’t get fatigued.

 

[FlyingAccountant]

This was the second fatal in three days at F70.

A 172 went down on 7/4. Flown by a freshly minted PPL and his three kids. Luckily, the kiddos survived and only the pilot deaded himself.

 

[ChasenSFO]

Also the fact that it was owned by Prestige worldwide…… seeing all the jokes they had associated with this airplane maybe they didn’t take flying it serious enough.

That is wild Pristage Worldwide. LOL. Damn.

 

[fholbert]

This was the second fatal in three days at F70.

A 172 went down on 7/4. Flown by a freshly minted PPL and his three kids. Luckily, the kiddos survived and only the pilot deaded himself.

That plane is at Chino now. Pilot attempted a go around with full flaps.

 

[roundout]

That plane is at Chino now. Pilot attempted a go around with full flaps.

I had to write a statement to the NTSB after witnessing someone try this in a 150 about 15 years ago. 2 fatal.

Someone also tried this with me while I was giving them a BFR. Seat cushion was sucked up. To this day I don’t know what I did to keep us from crashing.

 

[ChasenSFO]

That plane is at Chino now. Pilot attempted a go around with full flaps.

I had to write a statement to the NTSB after witnessing someone try this in a 150 about 15 years ago. 2 fatal.

Someone also tried this with me while I was giving them a BFR. Seat cushion was sucked up. To this day I don’t know what I did to keep us from crashing.

I've done that before every so often for practice, just trim down very rapidly with a brisk forward yoke and then put them up one notch at a time no? I've had CFIs do it with me and I practice it myself too along with tailwind no flaps landings so that if I ever have to do either with no choice, I'll be confident. Not like myself or the CFIs I've done it with are Chuck Yeager lol. It'll still fly, just be squirrely as hell and want to flip on its back, but I don't think it seems like instadeath if you fly with your ass and watch the airspeed/AOA. Are these people just doing muscle memory and ignoring what the airplane wants? Yeah, it'll barely climb, but it won't fall out of the sky and spin/stall either if you watch what the plane is doing lol. Maybe because they aren't cognizant of the flaps being down, they don't respond properly?

Kind of like how doors opening in GA planes have caused tons of fatal crashes yet most people I know have probably had doors pop open on them multiple times in their life and...not died. Makes me wonder what is going on when I hear about that causing such a distraction that people spin/stall. Even know of at least 1 bizjet stall/spin crash because the nose door popped open and the pilots got distracted, I think Flying Magazine once did a whole big article on these accidents.