C421 down near CA/NV border

From today's FAA Report

AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE 1 PERSON ON BOARD WAS FATALLY INJURED, 10 MILES FROM VERDI, CA
 
It's so saddening listening to the controller repeat his transmissions without a response and then after 5 all you here "spin"....scary stuff. So sad. EDIT: RIP
 
I've lost a crap-ton of friends and colleagues in accidents, but one "survival technique" I use is separating the event from the person. On a human level, listening to anyone in their last moments is rough, but look at the situation, realize that it could have been you and commit yourself to flying a little sharper and making smarter decisions and rising to the occasion when you're presented with situations.

Know when to push it, know when to be an old fuddy-duddy and remember if you're pushing it more than being an old fuddy-duddy, check yourself.
 
Man. That is tough to listen to and know what is happening, especially when you can hear the engine sounds in the background. Descending from 11,000 on a decent day... wonder what happened. RIP...
 
Derg said:
I've lost a crap-ton of friends and colleagues in accidents, but one "survival technique" I use is separating the event from the person. On a human level, listening to anyone in their last moments is rough, but look at the situation, realize that it could have been you and commit yourself to flying a little sharper and making smarter decisions and rising to the occasion when you're presented with situations.

Know when to push it, know when to be an old fuddy-duddy and remember if you're pushing it more than being an old fuddy-duddy, check yourself.
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Well said, well said.
 
mshunter said:
I think it's pretty obviouse what happened here. Just listen to the tape.
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I just heard a normal descent vector at 11,000' and the next minute is the inquiry on heading deviation and "spin".
Not going to speculate but that sure seems to require a serious structural/prop/powerplant failure to accomplish?
 
rframe said:
I just heard a normal descent vector at 11,000' and the next minute is the inquiry on heading deviation and "spin".
Not going to speculate but that sure seems to require a serious structural/prop/powerplant failure to accomplish?
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I have no idea what could have caused the spin, but when someone says "we're in a spin" I'd have to say they spun in. Sucks to hear that. I can't imagine what that must be like. With all that inertia out on the wings, it's nearly impossible to recover in a twin. Just ask Derg.
 
mshunter said:
I have no idea what could have caused the spin, but when someone says "we're in a spin" I'd have to say they spun in. Sucks to hear that. I can't imagine what that must be like. With all that inertia out on the wings, it's nearly impossible to recover in a twin. Just ask Derg.
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You could hear it in his voice.

There but for the grace of god go [any of us].

-Fox
 
I dont jump into many discussions here, but I am dying to know on what basis you make this statement?

As a FAA DER Test Pilot, who has both intentionally and unintentionally spun multiple types of twins, there is nothing inherently impossible in the recovery, nor anything different from a single. Quite the contrary, I have never had an issue recovering, and never had it take me more than 1.5 turns, even from an inverted spin in a King Air. Power to idle, Ailerons Neutral, Rudder to conteract the spin, Elevator to recover. PARE.

I am also a 421 owner, and can not readily see how you get it into a spin from cruise flight. I look forward to learning what happened

mshunter said:
With all that inertia out on the wings, it's nearly impossible to recover in a twin. Just ask Derg.
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