Bombardier Wins

SeanD said:
To me its Boeing being haters because they failed to see the big picture of innovation when it came to the demand of a short-range narrow body market. They should have paid more attention when Delta started snatching up 717s and taking a lot of their RJ flying back. Instead they rehashed another 737 product. They need to get off their asses and create something the airlines want/need.
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But they were! Magic 8 Ball says to blame Airbus and their NEO's, not Boeing for the MAX's.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
But they were! Magic 8 Ball says to blame Airbus and their NEO's, not Boeing for the MAX's.
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They weren't though. They were busy doing damage control for the 787 meanwhile a company known for making RJs was busy making something based on the current demand. Boeing has no one but themselves to blame. They fell behind because they thought outsourcing the manufacturing of a brand new jet design was the answer. Bombardier siezed a great opportunity. Im sure Boeing will catch up one day but not for a long time. As for Airbus. How many guys/gals do you and I know who hate flying an Airbus?
 
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Boing was actively working on their Y1 prototype. A 737 replacement jet. Then Aibii came out with the NEO. Boeing couldn't get the 737 replacement jet to market to compete with the NEO's and feared losing their bread and butter segment to Airbii. So the 737 replacement was scrapped, in favor of the MAX.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
Boing was actively working on their Y1 prototype. A 737 replacement jet. Then Aibii came out with the NEO. Boeing couldn't get the 737 replacement jet to market to compete with the NEO's and feared losing their bread and butter segment to Airbii. So the 737 replacement was scrapped, in favor of the MAX.
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Thats definitely not Airbuses fault. They could have built up the buzz that they had something awesome coming soon and stayed the course. It kinda worked for the 787. Now they're stuck because greed didn't work in their favor this time.
 
The C series is an anomaly. Anyone who has flown a Q400 knows what Bombardier actually does, and that's suck. They suck long and hard. In a few years after the C series boom, Bombardier will fade back to the obscurity of making snowmobiles and automated airport trains.
 
pete2800 said:
The C series is an anomaly. Anyone who has flown a Q400 knows what Bombardier actually does, and that's suck. They suck long and hard. In a few years after the C series boom, Bombardier will fade back to the obscurity of making snowmobiles and automated airport trains.
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The Bombardier today is a VERY different company than the one that pushed out the CRJ and the MegaWhacker.
 
SeanD said:
To me its Boeing being haters because they failed to see the big picture of innovation when it came to the demand of a short range narrow body market. They should have paid more attention when Delta started snatching up 717s and taking a lot of their RJ flying back. Instead Boeing rehashed another 737 product. They need to get off their asses and create something the airlines want/need. They are going to need to go head to head with Bombardier and Embraer eventually.
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Boeing can be rightfully criticized for many things, but this is not one of them. The sales for the CSeries and E2 in general show how much the airlines “want/need” the type - very little demand, especially in the context of what is in store for the global fleet in the next 20-years. Outside of Delta’s order and the latest acquisition by Airbus, I’m not sure if CSeries would have lived long. Until the current regional/mainline dynamic changes, the economics of 100-seaters will be challenging, unless they are acquired at absolute rock-bottom prices - i.e the 717 and the CS100.

It will be interesting to see what, if anything, the Airbus sales team can do with CSeries and if they could integrate any commonality with future A320-family models. That could be really interesting.
 
Richman said:
Aaaaannnnd this is what happens when you don't let airplane people make airplanes, and instead "manage the brand".

I swear, Douglas Adams was really on to something with the 'B' Ark....
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Double like for the ‘B’ Ark reference.
 
The irony is that Boeing lost this dumping case AND the Super Hornet deal with Canada. Not well played at all.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Beautiful in the original Klingon too.
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Ecl!pse said:
Boeing can be rightfully criticized for many things, but this is not one of them. The sales for the CSeries and E2 in general show how much the airlines “want/need” the type - very little demand, especially in the context of what is in store for the global fleet in the next 20-years. Outside of Delta’s order and the latest acquisition by Airbus, I’m not sure if CSeries would have lived long. Until the current regional/mainline dynamic changes, the economics of 100-seaters will be challenging, unless they are acquired at absolute rock-bottom prices - i.e the 717 and the CS100.

It will be interesting to see what, if anything, the Airbus sales team can do with CSeries and if they could integrate any commonality with future A320-family models. That could be really interesting.
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I think the real benefit to Airbus is going to be growing the size of the CS into a theoretical CS500 that can replace A320 sized aircraft with zero development costs from Airbus.
 
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