Boise Tower fell asleep

mshunter said:
"He smelled of marijuana, and was confused and slow", yet he passed the drug test. Something isn't jiving here.
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Cops always say someone smelled of marijuana when they need probably cause to search. He probably seemed "confused and slow" because A) he had also just woken up not too long ago before it was his turn to take over B) he had worked first and had been up all night C) he was trying to stall to cover his friend
 
NovemberEcho said:
Cops always say someone smelled of marijuana when they need probably cause to search. He probably seemed "confused and slow" because A) he had also just woken up not too long ago before it was his turn to take over B) he had worked first and had been up all night C) he was trying to stall to cover his friend
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Yes, I know. So it kind of throws the "smelled pot" excuse out the window.
 
NovemberEcho said:
Do you know what the FAA's "fix" was after the first couple guys fell asleep on a mid? They increased the amount of time between a shift on one day and the next day to a whole 9 hours.

Know what they didn't do? Increase the amount of hours between 2 shifts on the same day. For example, today I was scheduled to work from 6am-2pm, then back to work for the mid 11pm-7am. Somehow I'm supposed to get a plenty of rest during that time off for the mid. And let me tell you from like 1230-430am is the most bored I have ever been in my entire life. Try staring at this on a mid for several hours
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There are FAA regulations for pilot and dispatcher duty and rest times, but I can find no such regulations for ATC. Do they exist?
 
Flying Saluki said:
There are FAA regulations for pilot and dispatcher duty and rest times, but I can find no such regulations for ATC. Do they exist?
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9 hours between shifts on different days, 8 hours between shifts on the same day. No regs for how long you can remain on position.
 
Several years ago while turning wrenches at an large, unnamed national cargo carrier with brown tails at an unnamed Delta class airport in northern California, I worked a part time shift to help support the household while I was building time as a CFI. The shift started at 03:30 and one of the first things we did when we got to our little shoebox of an office was to turn on a handheld radio we kept on the counter that was tuned to the tower frequency so we could monitor the progress of the approaching boxes. On this particular day when I turned on the radio, an unnamed movie soundtrack was being broadcast over the frequency. I was dying. I picked up the telephone and dialed the tower cab, actually hearing my inbound call ringing over the radio. After several rings the controller picked up, I let him know what was going on and the radio went silent. He thanked me up, down, sideways and twice on Sundays and few hours later one of the guys from the tower showed up with breakfast burritos for our entire 2 man crew. They were delicious.
 
NovemberEcho said:
9 hours between shifts on different days, 8 hours between shifts on the same day. No regs for how long you can remain on position.
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Are those FAA regulations, or guidelines? If regs, can you provide a source?
 
Flying Saluki said:
Are those FAA regulations, or guidelines? If regs, can you provide a source?
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14 CFR 65.47

§ 65.47 Maximum hours.
Except in an emergency, a certificated air traffic controltower operator must be relieved of all duties for at least 24 consecutive hours at least once during each 7 consecutive days. Such an operator may not serve or be required to serve -

(a) For more than 10 consecutive hours; or

(b) For more than 10 hours during a period of 24 consecutive hours, unless he has had a rest period of at least 8 hours at or before the end of the 10 hours of duty.
 
NovemberEcho said:
14 CFR 65.47

§ 65.47 Maximum hours.
Except in an emergency, a certificated air traffic controltower operator must be relieved of all duties for at least 24 consecutive hours at least once during each 7 consecutive days. Such an operator may not serve or be required to serve -

(a) For more than 10 consecutive hours; or

(b) For more than 10 hours during a period of 24 consecutive hours, unless he has had a rest period of at least 8 hours at or before the end of the 10 hours of duty.
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Thanks for that. A controller has the same duty limitations as an aircraft dispatcher. Good to know.
 
How many shifts can yall work in a month?

....and ooh wee, those comments. "what a stupid dick! cant spell Regan and went to or still attends a community College god were in trouble!"
 
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