Boeing to study pilotless planes

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Hopefully it's decades away. But still something to think about.


Boeing studies pilotless planes as it ponders next jetliner
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By Alwyn Scott | SEATTLE
Boeing Co is looking ahead to a brave new world where jetliners fly without pilots and aims to test some of the technology next year, the world's biggest plane maker said in a briefing ahead of the Paris Airshow.

The idea may seem far-fetched but with self-flying drones available for less than $1,000, "the basic building blocks of the technology clearly are available," said Mike Sinnett, Boeing's vice president of product development.

Jetliners can already take off, cruise and land using their onboard flight computers and the number of pilots on a standard passenger plane has dropped to two from three over the years.

Sinnett, a pilot himself, plans to test the technology in a cockpit simulator this summer and "fly on an airplane next year some artificial intelligence that makes decisions that pilots would make", he said.

Self-flying aircraft would need to meet the safety standards of air travel, which had its safest year in 2016, according to the Aviation Safety Network. They would also need to convince regulators who don't yet know how to certify such planes.

"I have no idea how we're going to do that," Sinnett said. "But we're studying it right now and we're developing those algorithms."

Airlines are among those backing the idea, in part to deal with a projected need for 1.5 million pilots over the next 20 years as global demand for air travel continues to grow.

But a self-flying plane would need to be able land safely as Captain Chesley Sullenberger did in the "Miracle on the Hudson," Sinnett said. "If it can't, then we can't go there."

A U.S. Airways plane hit a flock of geese shortly after taking off from New York in 2009 knocking out its engines but Sullenberger managed to glide the Airbus A320 to a safe landing on the Hudson River, saving all 150 passengers on board.

Boeing is also inching closer to creating its next new aircraft to plug a gap in its product line between its best-selling narrow-bodied 737 and its larger 787 Dreamliner. It aims to bring the new jet to customers around 2025.

After in-depth talks with nearly 60 customers it concluded that current wide-body planes have too much range for most of the routes narrow-body planes fly, Boeing Commercial Airplanes Chief Executive Kevin McAllister said in a separate briefing.

"This is a market that cannot be served by narrow-bodies - not by ours or our competitors'" he said, referring to rival Airbus. "It can be served by wide-bodies, the question is can it be more efficiently served by a targeted airplane?"


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-airshow-autonomous-idUSKBN18Z12M
 
In a far distant future, I can see one person sitting in a room with a few computers monitoring flights much like a dispatcher does today. ATC is going in a similar direction with a few airports in Europe being remotely controlled by camera, which allows a single controller to work Local/Tracon at multiple airports at once. London City is on track to become the first "busy" airport to be remotely controlled by ATC.

I do not think the humans will go away entirely in our life time, but maybe they won't be on the jet.
 
I believe Popular Science Mag predicted that "pilotless" planes will be practical around 2040, common place around 2060, standard around 2100

article came out about 5 years ago i think
 
It's a shame Boeing never made a jetliner that bridged the gap between the 737 and widebodies...at least they are thinking about it meow.


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It'll start with cargo - after a few years of heavy freighters flying around under a scenario much like @ChasenSFO has mentioned, the public will become more open to the idea for pax.

Probably still 30-years or out, but it makes sense to get rid of the pilots - and the first manufacturer to do this will reap pretty hefty rewards.
 
It would behoove them to study a middle-of-market size airliner before one of their growing, innovative competitors releases one and books a thousand orders while, back at the ranch, they're thinking about how to make the taller landing gear fit in the wheel wells so the 737-1000 can rotate below 200KIAS without crumpling the aft pressure bulkhead.


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and the first manufacturer to do this will reap pretty hefty rewards.

Unless or until there is a huge crash, with large loss of lives, and the end result is, "well, yes Senator, a human pilot wouldn't have done that, they probably could've landed without loss of life."
 
It'll start with cargo - after a few years of heavy freighters flying around under a scenario much like @ChasenSFO has mentioned, the public will become more open to the idea for pax.

Probably still 30-years or out, but it makes sense to get rid of the pilots - and the first manufacturer to do this will reap pretty hefty rewards.
I'm a little skeptical when some of the largest, most profitable cargo airlines in the world are still buying second hand passenger jets for their fleet.
 
Unless or until there is a huge crash, with large loss of lives, and the end result is, "well, yes Senator, a human pilot wouldn't have done that, they probably could've landed without loss of life."

True - that's on the designers to work out, though.

I"ll be with Boeing here in a couple of weeks to discuss fleet strategy - will be an interesting discussion topic.
 
I'm a little skeptical when some of the largest, most profitable cargo airlines in the world are still buying second hand passenger jets for their fleet.

Well they still have to meet their current needs - we're talking about tech decades into the future.
 
Unless or until there is a huge crash, with large loss of lives, and the end result is, "well, yes Senator, a human pilot wouldn't have done that, they probably could've landed without loss of life."
Well, yes senator, a computer would have -recognized the decaying airspeed trend and added power instead of yanking back on the yoke and retracting flaps
-lined up for the proper departure runway
-landed on the proper piece of pavement
 
This is coming and it will happen. What I suspect will occur first is single pilot large aircraft for freight with the ALIAS system or something similar. After that, a system that has pilots in a "virtual" cockpit on the ground that land the airplane and enroute is handled by the autonomous onboard stuff.

I think after self-driving cars get spoiled up it'll only be a matter of time before people trust pilotless aircraft.
 
I think any AI technology capable of operating a jet airplane is at least 30 years away, maybe longer. The AI tech currently around kind of sucks.
 
One would think that this would come to the maritime and rail industries first no? Maybe because I have 32 more years left but I still think we bring something to the table being up there, maybe not.
 
One would think that this would come to the maritime and rail industries first no? Maybe because I have 32 more years left but I still think we bring something to the table being up there, maybe not.
idk how automation isn't on trains everywhere, if the technology is so advanced now. your variables are "go" and "don't go," anything that gets in front of you is losing because physics. Roombas have more problems to deal with.
 
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