Check the fleets of United, Delta, American, and Continental, just to name 4. All those 767's are flying cargo or in developing countries?
Boeing gets Tanker Contract
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Check the fleets of United, Delta, American, and Continental, just to name 4. All those 767's are flying cargo or in developing countries?
Boris Badenov
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I think he said it's being phased out in the "first world" pax fleets, which it is. And that it's flying cargo in South America, etc. Which it also is.
OldTownPilot
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Not that it matters anyways, It's not like there is a high demand for 707 pilots, but those who want a civvy job probably have no problem getting one. Or well no more problem than any of the rest of us.
jtrain609
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no way d00d! I'll be there's never been an F-16 driver that made the transition, I mean those dudes only had one engine where an airliner could have...HOLY CRAP FOUR!!!! NO WAY THEY COULD PULL IT OFF!!!
I'm so glad I drive an RJ, so I can make the transition to mainline.
jtrain609
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Center_Mid
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Not sure what else Boeing could've done. They're not going to design and build a totally new airframe for a 180-unit order. The 777 wasn't a good fit, the 757 is long done, the 787 is, well, running a tad late. So why not offer the 767? It's out of date? Compared to what, the A330? Just as it's unfair to say that the A330 MRRT is a warmed over A300, it's unfair to say that Boeing's 67 tanker offering is going to be the same thing as the first 762 that rolled off the line in 1980-something. Besides, I didn't see EADS proposing an A350XWB tanker with a GTF engine. The RFI didn't call for a next-gen airframe/engine and no one offered one.
I guess we can look forward to a gripping 787/A350 tanker competition fifty years from now.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Developing countries like the United States and most of Western Europe? Operated by such fly-by-night operations as United, Delta, Continental, American, British Airways, ANA, Air Canada, UPS, FedEx, Hawaiian, and certain US-based charter companies?
Pépé le Pilot
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You know very well what I'm talking about. The fact that cash-strapped legacy carriers cannot afford to replace them doesn't mean that they are not obsolete. Not many are flying in Europe anymore, my company has phased out both 757 and 767 like most SA companies, or they have turned them over to their cargo division. Nothing wrong with that, it was a great airplane, there's just a more modern alternative on the market... By the way, we have in Colombia the oldest flying 737 and 727, I've been told. Quite a testimony to such great designs... I was a very big fan of the 757 and the 310, they were just from the previous generation.
Pépé le Pilot
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FBW anyone ?
You went from an almost fully analog airplane to a fully digital (wether it's a good thing or not) aircraft. Brands apart, mid 80's to 90's were very innovative.
Fuel burn, range, pax comfort, crew comfort, automation...
Just compare the computers available in 1982 and 1992. Worlds apart.
Although following you, indeed since the 707, we cruise at the same altitude and speed.
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Um, really?
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Developing countries like the United States and most of Western Europe? Operated by such fly-by-night operations as United, Delta, Continental, American, British Airways, ANA, Air Canada, UPS, FedEx, Hawaiian, and certain US-based charter companies?
Um, really?
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jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Design choice, it existed and could have been put in.
Engine choice.
Engine choice.
It's going to be a freakin' tanker!
Seat choice.
Avionics choice. I fly an airplane that was designed AFTER both of these aircraft and I'm positive that the automation in the A330 is WAY better, and the 767 is likely better.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
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Um, really?
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I hate to tell you, but this whole thread is an a.net moment.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Fixed.
Edit to add: I love these Boeing vs. Airbus debates, especially those that revolve around how automated the Airbus is compared to the big, manly Boeing. I hate to tell ya, but a 757/767 will fly itself to the moon in LNAV/VNAV, as long as you make sure to keep spinning the MCP window up.
Firebird2XC
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Interesting perspective - France as an 'early adopter' of American economic growth. You're right about the 787- it's built all over creation, hence the modified 747 Dreamlifters. I've seen one parked in CAE- they're definitely moving large-scale components long distances for final assembly.
As for the tanker... Does the damned thing work? Personally, I'm not a fan of watching jobs in the domestic U.S. go bye-bye because it lowers the metaphorical property values in my neighborhood, so to speak, but in terms of both economics and national defense I don't see where there's much room for waste.
... and yet there is. The nationalistic outcry makes me laugh- clearly there are so many dedicated patriots doing their part to sacrifice and ensure the best future for America as a whole.
USMCmech
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They are both large aluminum tubes sitting on a wing and two large jet engines.
The fundamental technology hasen't changed since the 60s.
Boris Badenov
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Do not laugh at the Internet Brigade, lest all your bases belong to Them.
Firebird2XC
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*shrugs* Such outcry is just so much slacktivism. I'd be surprised if there was enough critical thinking behind any of it to muster an even halfway cogent response.
Boris Badenov
Fortis Leader
Heresy! They'll sort you right out as soon as they can peel themselves away from BLACK OPZ: The Game. Them imaginary hadjis ain't gonna kill themselves! Meanwhile, cower in fear.