Blue Origin astronaut Glen de Vries dies in plane crash
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Jimmy_Norton
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Will a BRS save an airplane in a spin?
NovemberEcho
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yes in utility
NovemberEcho
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devries (the astronaut) was the commercial student. I actually talked to him on his way to the space flight. He was flying a Bonanza if I recall.
melax
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That's what a BRS system is designed to do after all....
Many aircraft's are fitted with a spin recovery chute during testing for certification.
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Jimmy_Norton
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That's what a BRS system is designed to do after all....
Many aircraft's are fitted with a spin recovery chute during testing for certification.
A spin recovery chute and a BRS are two very different things. A spin chute is installed in the tail, and functions to lower the nose of the aircraft, at which point it is jettisoned and the aircraft recovers to a normal landing.
BigZ
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The idea of spin training is to increase your chances of survival in case of unintentional spin down the line
Doing it even in a C172 is fairly pointless. If the place I was going to instruct at had Tomahawks, I'd ask for a spin checkout in that
melax
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And your point is ?? in your initial post you seem to imply that a BRS system couldn't save an aircraft in a spin, I mentioned the spin recovery chute to illustrate the successful deployability of a chute during the spin phase of an aircraft.
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Jimmy_Norton
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No, I asked if a BRS chute can save an airplane in a spin, cause I had no idea. But I appreciate your snarky response.
melax
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Interesting read on the traumahawk...
Tomahawk Revisited - Aviation Safety
Piper's Tomahawk has been criticized for its stall-spin behavior. How does it compare with other spins-approved airplanes?
www.aviationsafetymagazine.com
BigZ
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Unlike a one liner in Cessna poh, the Tomahawk is like solid three pages on spin recovery. Don't remember now, but something like "if the spin entry was aggravated by this, the spin will look like that, and expect to need to do as follows to recover"Interesting read on the traumahawk...
Tomahawk Revisited - Aviation Safety
Piper's Tomahawk has been criticized for its stall-spin behavior. How does it compare with other spins-approved airplanes?
melax
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I remember in my old training days, there was a rental tomahawk (cheapest aircraft at the FBO), my CFI jokingly said "No we're not dying in this thing".
I spent more moolah and never questioned him. He is the reason I don't have a single min logged in that model.
BigZ
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It was my first "grown up" airplane after getting my private. Check myself out in it after reading a book because no CFIs in sight type deal. Maybe that's why, but I actually loved that plane. 50 rpm over idle = greaser every damn time. Overall good memories
NovemberEcho
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i have about 10 hours in a Tomahawk from my lessons when a teenager. I didn’t know anything about it’s spin characteristics and also enjoyed flying it.
knot4u
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Agreed, but not as good as the 150/152 in my recollection, although I willingly admit ancient familiarity biases my opinion.
WacoFan
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If I recall, the Tomahawk was an answer to CFI's who asked for an airplane that provided a true spin/recovery that they could teach. So Piper gave it to them. But then people died and they got hammered. Like the yard darts when I was a kid but now everyone plays stupid bean bag games. Anywho...I didn't do this purposely because I wasn't wearing a parachute and that would be wrong but...I inadvertently entered an accelerated stall and one-turn spin along the horizontal plane one time and it was a very passable maneuver that some would call "snap roll". And the Tomahawk did a better one than the 150/152. Just sayin. It was a unfairly maligned airplane. I like maligned airplanes for the most part.
Boris Badenov
This is no laughing matter.
Like the 177, I rented the Traumahawk because no one else did, and I could fly it pretty much whenever I wanted. Plus even then I liked weird, maligned garbage. I did spin it, once, and it did what it said on the tin and ACTUALLY SPAN. No trouble recovering. Of course, this was long after they'd added a rib or two in the wings to prevent them from bending in to a rather ehm "unrecoverable" aerodynamic shape. Or so goes the rumor.
I would definitely advise not looking at the tail when you stall it, though. Thing looks like it's waving at you. As in "bye-bye".
Edit: It was so much more comfortable than a 150/52 for a long cross-country, too. You were actually sitting in a seat that was human-sized, your legs weren't at an 80 degree angle, and you weren't ALWAYS swapping shoulder-sweat with whoever was in the other seat. I say this as someone who was at the time 5'10 and ~140lbs. How anyone much bigger than I am suffers through hundreds of hours in a 150/52 is beyond me.
I would definitely advise not looking at the tail when you stall it, though. Thing looks like it's waving at you. As in "bye-bye".
Edit: It was so much more comfortable than a 150/52 for a long cross-country, too. You were actually sitting in a seat that was human-sized, your legs weren't at an 80 degree angle, and you weren't ALWAYS swapping shoulder-sweat with whoever was in the other seat. I say this as someone who was at the time 5'10 and ~140lbs. How anyone much bigger than I am suffers through hundreds of hours in a 150/52 is beyond me.
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knot4u
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As far as looking around at your aircraft inflight, if you ever find yourself in an R-22 don't look up through the moonroof at the mast. Ever.
