Block over 8 hours?

B767

B767

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Say you're on a trip and one of your days is scheduled for 7.5 hours. However, when the day is done you've blocked over 8 hours due to deice, extended taxi, whatever. Will you be delayed the next day because of the "over 8 hours in a day"? Or does the next day continue as scheduled?
 
it would change the amount of rest that you would be required to receive but they could reduce it and give you comp rest for the next day.
 
no. legal to start legal to finish. rest is based off of SCHEDULED flight time. I just blocked 9.8 the other day.
 
flyinggreasemnky said:
it would change the amount of rest that you would be required to receive but they could reduce it and give you comp rest for the next day.
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If I'm understanding the rules correctly, it wouldn't even do that :( ! Yeah...it could effect the amount of rest, but it's not going to "bump you up". The only change overblocking will result in is a reduction of your rest, because they're going to take you to min rest if you're not already there (assuming it will help maintain the schedule). If you were originally scheduled for 8 hours of min rest, you still only get 8 hours min rest even if you were scheduled for 7.5 hours but actually blocked 9 hours with the same schedule. Whether you get 9 hours or 8 hours for min rest is all based on your scheduled block, looking back over the 24 hours preceding the scheduled beginning of the rest period.

Actual block can only affect the time that said rest periods begins (i.e. you might have to delay the flight the next morning), but won't affect its duration (i.e. you don't suddenly get 9 hrs instead of 8 because you over-blocked). Rest period duration is pre-determined by scheduled block. Where it can get "all jacked up" is when you're on reserve or are reassigned and start getting extra legs thrown on your schedule. Now, your actual block for the day starts to affect your scheduled block. Sometimes, I wish I would've paid attention in Calculus II.

Go into FAR 121.471 and notice how many times it says "Scheduled" and how many times it says "Actual". (Hint: the score is 14 to 0)

With that said, we'll soon be able to forget all of the above, as it's going to have a wrecking ball taken to it very soon by the feds.

Disclaimer: It's certainly possible that I'm wrong, so anyone feel free to correct me. It seems like I learn something new about rest rules every year, if not every month.
 
Just to dovetail off of the OP, I thought I understood this but now I just confused myself (not all that uncommon):

How can you have more than 8 hours of scheduled flight time? For example, in the section covering our rest rules it says we need 9 hours of rest for 8-9 of scheduled flight time, 10 hours of rest for over 9 hours of scheduled flight time.

Is that, like, 8 hours in a calendar day but it could be more than 8 in a rolling 24 hour period?
 
That is talking about flying in a 24 hour period and how much rest is required.

There is no 8 hour limit for a calendar day or 24 hour period. The limit is 8 hours scheduled flying between rest periods.

Example

8hrs scheduled flying
10 hours rest
6hrs scheduled flying
=14 hours of flying in a 24 hour period, but only 8 hours in between rest periods and completely legal.
 
Required rest in a 24 hour period based on flight hours:

<8 flt. hours=required rest of 9 hours which is reducible to 8 if they give you 10 hours of Comp rest within 24 hrs after beginning a reduced rest period.

≥8<9 flt. hours=required rest of 10 hours which is reducible to 8 if they give you 11 hours of Comp rest within 24 hrs after beginning a reduced rest period.

≥9 flt. hours=required rest of 11 hours which is reducible to 9 if they give you 12 hours of Comp rest within 24 hrs after beginning a reduced rest period.

As in my flight tonight, I only fly a little over 2 hours today and my overnight is a reduced rest of only 8.5 hours so within 24 hours of beginning my reduced rest period they have to give me 10 hours of comp rest.
 
........and again, here is where the CAP 371 rules are superior and hopefully are what the FAA adopts. Rest period at least as long as the preceeding duty period; or 12 hours. That can be reduced to 11 hours, but minimum 10 hours in the hotel.


Typhoonpilot
 
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