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I know you think it's that I have a personal vendetta against you, it's merely your behaviors here... And I'm not alone. You constantly get reported from even fair minded people.
 
Bumblebee said:
You feel that being a jerk to other people is okay and that our trying to moderate that part of it is censorship and that's crap. I would recommend that you just go back to your discussion about what you believe in and stop throwing punches at the moderation staff.
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Dale you are letting your personal beliefs about me, that I'm a jerk (which I'm ok with that opinion as I've been called far worse by many others), get in the way of what is supposed to be a neutral position as moderator.
 
Bumblebee said:
I know you think it's that I have a personal vendetta against you, it's merely your behaviors here... And I'm not alone. You constantly get reported from even fair minded people.
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What is the definition of a 'fair minded person'? Is that a metric we go by on here when considering reports? Or are you just trying to say 'I know things you don't know' and if so why does that matter?
 
Seggy said:
Dale you are letting your personal beliefs about me, that I'm a jerk (which I'm ok with that opinion as I've been called far worse by many others), get in the way of what is supposed to be a neutral position as moderator.
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it's about how people act on the forum, it's about behaviors on the forum let me say it again...it's about how people act on the forum.
And I was telling that to Todd because he likes to be a jerk (actually he said he's a dick, not me) he's admitted it, and he refuses to modify that behavior. He would love it if it was just a free-for-all with everybody coming in here being pricks to one another. Because anything less than just free reign to be mean is censorship.

You and I have had differences of opinion on issues and I agree that we didn't resolve those, but that has nothing to do with behavior on the forum.
 
Bumblebee said:
Now I challenge you to go back and find out where I've been mean.
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Well, you just called me a jerk. That's one. Not that I care. I think you're one of the biggest jerks I've ever encountered, so your opinion doesn't exactly matter to me, but it does make you a hypocrite and unfit to be a moderator.
 
That's BS and you know it, Dale. I made a self-deprecating comment and you decided that it gave you free reign to call me a jerk (a term that I didn't even use). You're a hypocrite. You should relieve yourself of your mod duties and leave it to someone who doesn't carry out personal vendettas.
 
ALPA didn't want us to go in guns-a-blazing to the Republicans when we did the legislative affairs summit. Bet @Seggy did not utilize personal attacks with the congressional staffers or the actual represenatatives and senators who didn't care about our issues.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
That's BS and you know it, Dale. I made a self-deprecating comment and you decided that it gave you free reign to call me a jerk (a term that I didn't even use). You're a hypocrite. You should relieve yourself of your mod duties and leave it to someone who doesn't carry out personal vendettas.
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Actually you also told me that to my face in Las Vegas, that you would not tone down the way you treated other people here. And you know that to be true. And I said you like to be a jerk I didn't say you're a jerk, it's a fine distinction and one you use all the time to try to remove to distance yourself from the fact that you're being abusive to other members.
 
I do my best to avoid even coming into contact with you in Vegas, so I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't remember ever having a substantive conversation with you at NJC, certainly not on this subject.

You can dance around your hypocrisy all you want trying to find loopholes for being able to personally attack members while still pretending to be an objective moderator, but the truth is plain to anyone with eyes.
 
If you're going to just lie straight out then I don't know what I can do... there is no way I can come back to that. I bet you don't remember pulling my pocket square out and dropping it on the ground at Cabo.

You don't remember Doug and you and me standing there together talking about this... That's convenient.
 
Seggy said:
Didn't you get suspended @ATN_Pilot recently with no explanation why?
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That's correct, although Doug has said that he'll explain when we have a chance to have drinks when he comes though ATL. That's the second time that I've been suspended without an explanation, and it always happens after I dare to question Dale or Steve. Coincidence?
 
Doug's living room is certainly taking a beating.

Seggy and Todd, you two don't like the way that Dale and I moderate this site. I don't have an issue with that to tell you the truth, because I don't think it is possible to moderate in a way that everyone agrees with.

With you two, specifically, we are criticized as having personal vendetta against you. Many others criticize us for giving you both too much free rein and allowing your negativity to cast a dark pallor over the site. Personally I don't believe that either of those views are correct, either about Dale or myself.

I'm not here to argue with either of you about how Dale and I conduct ourselves as moderators. Doug has entrusted us with that duty, and I think that we are both confident enough in both our level headedness and our methods to not need your, nor anyone besides Doug's, approval.

All that said, in my opinion Todd has showed a blatant disregard for the requested level of consideration of others expected on th his site, and I am unilaterally pulling the plug on his membership here. That decision is, of course, subject too reversal by Doug if he wants and I will abide by his decision to allow his type of behavior if he feels that Todd's positive contributions (and there are many) outweigh his negative behavior.

There is an explanation for you both.

Good day.
 
Well, it looks like I don't have to have Todd on ignore any more, if SteveC is talking to who I think he is. Since he's the only person I have on ignore, I think it's safe to say that assumption is correct.
 
For others watching, I'll elaborate on my expectations:

1. Disagree with moderation - no problem.
2. Publicly post your disagreement with moderation - still OK. Preferably done in a dispassionate manner, but that is technique more than procedure.
3. Publicly continue to disobey moderation demands - no bueno.

Doug has moderators to help him control the tone and vibe of his website. He chose us because he thinks that we share his vision, at least as much as it is possible for people to be in tune with each other's ideals. We have a couple of ways that we, as moderators and the webmaster, can communicate and share thoughts and techniques and expectations and try to keep us all on the same page. Are we always? No, but we try. Does Doug always agree with what we do? No, probably not. Do we always agree with Doug's decisions? No, but we respect his authority and wishes and try our best to fit into his expectations even when we disagree. This is the same as we expect of the users here. Disagree with us, argue with us, plead your case, all of these are OK, but at the end of the day you need to concede to our decision making even if you don't agree, just as we concede to Doug's wishes on how his website is to be run.
 
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