SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
ehem.... says the man with experience on a commercial "flight deck".
Don't scare the students man. Let them make their mistakes in a manner consistent with safety and in a non-punitive environment.
Big Brother in the Cockpit - coming to UND!
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ehem.... says the man with experience on a commercial "flight deck".
gotWXdagain
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~600 hours now, since I haven't updated my profile in over a year, and yes, I do instruct for my livelihood, and no, I don't tell my students to "be careful what you say cause big brother is watching." And if UND actually did go through the data to start monday morning PIC'ing, every CFI worth their salt employed here would walk, what incentive would UND have for doing that?
The policy was written by Faculty, who happened to write the FOQA at one of the bigger regionals (Piedmont, IIRC?), so its not something i'm worried about.
Then why did you apply?
The policy was written by Faculty, who happened to write the FOQA at one of the bigger regionals (Piedmont, IIRC?), so its not something i'm worried about.
Then why did you apply?
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
We have GPS-based tracking devices handed out with each airplane at a local operator as well - in addition to whatever capabilities the panels in the airplanes may have. These ones are proactively monitored by management in real time, versus the above described boxes which are FOQA-style trend identification boxes. I'm pretty sure the data from the panel is simply discarded at the local operator, and not even used for FOQA or what have you.
FOQA is the hot stuff. It can solve problems before they happen. I want a FOQA program. :beer:
Monday morning PIC'ing is not.
EDIT - I would not have called this 'flight data monitoring' for the obvious negative stigma attached with the word 'monitoring'...
gotWXdagain
Polished Member
We have that too, in fact its a big screen displayed for everyone in the middle of flight ops.
I personally have no problems with the idea of a FDM program. I think it's a good idea, and that it'll allow UND to focus on areas where there are actual problems instead of blindly updating the policy manual left and right. That said, I've heard a ton of gripes about this program from other CFIs...but nobody seems to want to talk to a lead or a manager for fear of losing their jobs. The reason I'd like for there to be some input by the CFI body is so that there's someplace for people to air their concerns without feeling threatened by management for whatever reason--whining behind management's back isn't going to do anything. Hopefully the next flightops meeting will clear the air on this so that we can get back to whining about getting weathered and mx'd as usual.
ScoutFlyer
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I can assure you, through first hand experience that you can say/talk about whatever you want with a lead without "fear of losing your job." The management at UND is very relaxed and open to any conversation anyone is willing to bring up as long as it is done so in a professional manner. I don't know where everyone gets the idea that their lead and the chiefs are such "bad guys." Don't forget, ALL of them were line instructors at some point and I think they all remember what it was like. I walk into my leads office on a regular basis and bring up random stuff, half of the time just to pass time till the next student, and I've never had him threaten my job. The chief usually ends and mentions throughout each ops meeting, that anyone with any new ideas or concerns should stop my his office. Management's doors are very much open to whatever the instructors have to say. Everyone needs to grow a set and walk in and stop crying about it. This is a grown up job...let's handle it like grown ups :beer:
gotWXdagain
Polished Member
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ChasenSFO
hen teaser
I don't think anyone could give a crap less about an FDR. I would think students would only fear that the data could be used for discipline instead of accident investigation. And since this isn't the case, I doubt anyone who posted in this thread cares about it.
gotWXdagain
Polished Member
I don't think anyone could give a crap less about an FDR. I would think students would only fear that the data could be used for discipline instead of accident investigation. And since this isn't the case, I doubt anyone who posted in this thread cares about it.
Mastodon.
Oldschool Pilot
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About the flight recording: It's making flying more real, just like the airlines, which is a good thing. Next step is a CVR for the entire fleet, go for it UND!
WIFlyBoy
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Bad day for Jim King, he wont be able to sleep while giving those sim rides...
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
Seriously? You really want flight training to be "more like the airlines?"
Why don't you enjoy try and enjoy your flight training instead? You'll have plenty of opportunity for a 16 hour day with lack of sleep, 5 aircraft changes, crap weather, and issues in the back. You'll also have plenty of opportunity to stare at the autopilot doing a lot of work, as some companies have high automation level requirements in their books.
Quit trying to experience the airlines in school, and just have fun.
Stinger
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And in the Link next to Odegard I think.
gotWXdagain
Polished Member
Yep.
As of now they won't be releasing any of the FDM data for debriefing/student/CFI use--it'll only be for the safety project. I don't know what the software to view this data is like, but if it's possible I'd really like to be able to use this data with my students. Oh, and take a peek at the thread tags for this discussion...
Blip16
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Excel
with that post.