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JohnM

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I have always wondered but never was able to figure it out.
In airlines why do pilots bid on a flight?
From what I was told if a pilot bids on a flight no other pilot can then bid that position and it basically reserved for the bidder.

Is this how you determine where you fly every month?

Thanks in advance i know JC is the place to ask!
 
Anyone that is eligible to bid may bid on a flight that they are eligible to bid for. The "award" is what is given to the most senior pilot bidding. The most senior pilot gets awarded their first choice, if available (some people come up with stuff the company just can't do). The further down in seniority you go, the less flights and days off are available.
 
Normal bidding is by the month. You bid for a monthly schedule. they award by seniority and you get your top bid that has not already been awarded to a more senior pilot.
The other type of bidding is for open (unassigned) trips/flights. Trips come open from pilots taking vacation, training, becoming sick, etc and then pilots can bid for these trips, again in a seniority order (exception: some airlines are first come/first serve on open assignments).
 
Since I'm in cruise on my laptop right now, I've got some time to explain this. :D

I'm going to keep this very simple:

1. Seniority is king. If you are number 1 in category (aircraft type, seat, and base), you will get your exact preferences as long as they fall under the parameters outlined by the program for award- like respecting FAR flight time limits, minimum separation length in between ULR flights, as well as threshold credit limits (high and low) for a line to be built. All those are known, so if you don't get what you want... you have no one but yourself to blame.

2. If no one senior to you has asked for what you want, you typically get it (there are a few exceptions, but that's not worth clouding your mind with). If someone has gotten it, then the system goes into "denial" mode and will try to honor as many of your requests that it can.


2. The more senior you are, the more selective you can be. You can pick out specific trips that start out on specific days that you want, for example.

3. As you get more junior, you have to start just asking for certain sign in and sign out times, asking to not work certain days, asking for layovers in particular cities that you like, and avoiding redeyes (a very popular one for some reason ;) ).

4. When you get down to my "juniority" (I'm 5 from the bottom in my current category), it gets back to being very simple! My bid simply consists of asking for 1. whatever dates I require off, then 2. Sundays off, then 3. Saturdays off. Sometimes I don't know what I would do with myself if I actually had seniority to hold things I wanted!


Whoops, there goes ATL. Back later.
 
SET MIN SKED2:PREFER OFF 08Feb3:PREFER OFF 20Feb, 27Feb4:PREFER OFF 21Feb, 28Feb5:PREFER OFF 14Feb6:AVOID trip A7407 , A7408 , A7409 , A7412 , A7417 , A7433 , A74347:AVOID trip A7438 , A7441 , A7446 , A7447 , A7448 , A7454 , A74758:AVOID trip A7477 , A7490 , A74949:AVOID trip A703810:AWARD trip A713511:AWARD trip A705712:AWARD trip A7008 , A7032 , A7103 , A713413:AWARD trip A701814:AWARD trip A7487 , A7445 , A7139 , A7129 , A706615:AWARD trip A7065 , A7079 , A709816:AWARD trip A7127 , A7141 , A7405 , A748417:AWARD trip A7066 , A7129 , A744518:AWARD trip A7139 , A7141 , A7138 , A7135 , A7134 , A7129 , A7127 , A712619:AWARD trip A7125 , A7124 , A7114 , A7103 , A7098 , A7097 , A7095 , A707920:AWARD trip A7073 , A7066 , A7026 , A7023 , A7018 , A700821:AWARD trip A7487 , A7484 , A7471 , A7461 , A7452 , A7445 , A744322:AWARD trip A743123:AWARD day trips 1-4 IF AVG daily credits > 06:00hrs24:AWARD day trips 1-4 IF AVG daily credits > 05:30hrs25:AWARD trip A7090 , A7089 , A7088 , A7072 , A7071 , A7070 , A702926:AWARD trip A7130 , A7129 , A7110 , A7107 , A7100 , A7096 , A709327:AWARD trip A7092 , A7090 , A7089 , A7088 , A7076 , A7072 , A707128:AWARD trip A7063 , A7040 , A7030 , A702929:AWARD landings in DEN , SLC30:AWARD TRIPS

---Make sense??
 
1: SET MIN SKED
Honored
2: PREFER OFF 08FEB
Honored
3: PREFER OFF 20FEB, 27FEB
Honored
4: PREFER OFF 21FEB, 28FEB
Honored
5: PREFER OFF 14FEB
Honored
6: AVOID TRIP A7407 , A7408 , A7409 , A7412 , A7417 , A7433 , A7434
Honored
7: AVOID TRIP A7438 , A7441 , A7446 , A7447 , A7448 , A7454 , A7475
Honored
8: AVOID TRIP A7477 , A7490 , A7494
Honored
9: AVOID TRIP A7038
Honored
10: AWARD TRIP A7135
Awarded to senior bidder : 1
0 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total : 022:07
11: AWARD TRIP A7057
A7057 10FEB2010 (15:12)
1 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total : 037:19
12: AWARD TRIP A7008 , A7032 , A7103 , A7134
Awarded to senior bidder : 4
0 Awarded, 4 Matching, Running total : 037:19
13: AWARD TRIP A7018
Pulled during shuffle : 1
Awarded to senior bidder : 2
0 Awarded, 3 Matching, Running total : 037:19
14: AWARD TRIP A7487 , A7445 , A7139 , A7129 , A7066
A7445 16FEB2010 (19:57)
Awarded to senior bidder : 7
1 Awarded, 8 Matching, Running total : 057:16
15: AWARD TRIP A7065 , A7079 , A7098
A7065 22FEB2010 (21:41)
Item overlaps with another. : 2
Awarded to senior bidder : 2
1 Awarded, 5 Matching, Running total : 078:57
16: AWARD TRIP A7127 , A7141 , A7405 , A7484
Item overlaps with another. : 2
Awarded to senior bidder : 3
0 Awarded, 5 Matching, Running total : 078:57
17: AWARD TRIP A7066 , A7129 , A7445
Awarded by another bid : 1
Awarded to senior bidder : 5
0 Awarded, 6 Matching, Running total : 078:57
18: AWARD TRIP A7139 , A7141 , A7138 , A7135 , A7134 , A7129 , A7127 , A7126
Item overlaps with another. : 2
Awarded to senior bidder : 7
0 Awarded, 9 Matching, Running total : 078:57
19: AWARD TRIP A7125 , A7124 , A7114 , A7103 , A7098 , A7097 , A7095 , A7079
A7125 01MAR2010 (04:55)
Item overlaps with another. : 4
Awarded to senior bidder : 4
1 Awarded, 9 Matching, Running total : 083:52
20: AWARD TRIP A7073 , A7066 , A7026 , A7023 , A7018 , A7008
Block is complete. Other bids not required.
21: AWARD TRIP A7487 , A7484 , A7471 , A7461 , A7452 , A7445 , A7443
22: AWARD TRIP A7431
23: AWARD DAY TRIPS 1-4 IF AVG DAILY CREDITS > 06:00HRS
24: AWARD DAY TRIPS 1-4 IF AVG DAILY CREDITS > 05:30HRS
25: AWARD TRIP A7090 , A7089 , A7088 , A7072 , A7071 , A7070 , A7029
26: AWARD TRIP A7130 , A7129 , A7110 , A7107 , A7100 , A7096 , A7093
27: AWARD TRIP A7092 , A7090 , A7089 , A7088 , A7076 , A7072 , A7071
28: AWARD TRIP A7063 , A7040 , A7030 , A7029
29: AWARD LANDINGS IN DEN , SLC
30: AWARD TRIPS
Total credits: 083:52

And this is what you see at the end...Hopefully you see alot of "Honored" and not alot of "Forgotten Line".
 
Kingairer said:
1: SET MIN SKED
Honored
2: PREFER OFF 08FEB
Honored
3: PREFER OFF 20FEB, 27FEB
Honored
4: PREFER OFF 21FEB, 28FEB
Honored
5: PREFER OFF 14FEB
Honored
6: AVOID TRIP A7407 , A7408 , A7409 , A7412 , A7417 , A7433 , A7434
Honored
7: AVOID TRIP A7438 , A7441 , A7446 , A7447 , A7448 , A7454 , A7475
Honored
8: AVOID TRIP A7477 , A7490 , A7494
Honored
9: AVOID TRIP A7038
Honored
10: AWARD TRIP A7135
Awarded to senior bidder : 1
0 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total : 022:07
11: AWARD TRIP A7057
A7057 10FEB2010 (15:12)
1 Awarded, 1 Matching, Running total : 037:19
12: AWARD TRIP A7008 , A7032 , A7103 , A7134
Awarded to senior bidder : 4
0 Awarded, 4 Matching, Running total : 037:19
13: AWARD TRIP A7018
Pulled during shuffle : 1
Awarded to senior bidder : 2
0 Awarded, 3 Matching, Running total : 037:19
14: AWARD TRIP A7487 , A7445 , A7139 , A7129 , A7066
A7445 16FEB2010 (19:57)
Awarded to senior bidder : 7
1 Awarded, 8 Matching, Running total : 057:16
15: AWARD TRIP A7065 , A7079 , A7098
A7065 22FEB2010 (21:41)
Item overlaps with another. : 2
Awarded to senior bidder : 2
1 Awarded, 5 Matching, Running total : 078:57
16: AWARD TRIP A7127 , A7141 , A7405 , A7484
Item overlaps with another. : 2
Awarded to senior bidder : 3
0 Awarded, 5 Matching, Running total : 078:57
17: AWARD TRIP A7066 , A7129 , A7445
Awarded by another bid : 1
Awarded to senior bidder : 5
0 Awarded, 6 Matching, Running total : 078:57
18: AWARD TRIP A7139 , A7141 , A7138 , A7135 , A7134 , A7129 , A7127 , A7126
Item overlaps with another. : 2
Awarded to senior bidder : 7
0 Awarded, 9 Matching, Running total : 078:57
19: AWARD TRIP A7125 , A7124 , A7114 , A7103 , A7098 , A7097 , A7095 , A7079
A7125 01MAR2010 (04:55)
Item overlaps with another. : 4
Awarded to senior bidder : 4
1 Awarded, 9 Matching, Running total : 083:52
20: AWARD TRIP A7073 , A7066 , A7026 , A7023 , A7018 , A7008
Block is complete. Other bids not required.
21: AWARD TRIP A7487 , A7484 , A7471 , A7461 , A7452 , A7445 , A7443
22: AWARD TRIP A7431
23: AWARD DAY TRIPS 1-4 IF AVG DAILY CREDITS > 06:00HRS
24: AWARD DAY TRIPS 1-4 IF AVG DAILY CREDITS > 05:30HRS
25: AWARD TRIP A7090 , A7089 , A7088 , A7072 , A7071 , A7070 , A7029
26: AWARD TRIP A7130 , A7129 , A7110 , A7107 , A7100 , A7096 , A7093
27: AWARD TRIP A7092 , A7090 , A7089 , A7088 , A7076 , A7072 , A7071
28: AWARD TRIP A7063 , A7040 , A7030 , A7029
29: AWARD LANDINGS IN DEN , SLC
30: AWARD TRIPS
Total credits: 083:52

And this is what you see at the end...Hopefully you see alot of "Honored" and not alot of "Forgotten Line".
Click to expand...

Is that usually followed with:

What went wrong???? Help!!!

Can someone please tell me why lines 13-20 were not completely honored???!111 I'm soooo senior dood!!!111
 
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