BFR in a non N-reg a/c

Johnny Beau Bekkestad

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Was speaking to my buddy the other day about our needs for a BFR and the fact that we have to travel all the way to the US to do them now.
Is it possible to do a BFR and IPC with an FAA instructor on a non N-reg aircraft.
 
The reg requiring a Flight Review says "in an aircraft you are rated in"
Does not specify it needs to be a U.S. registered.
Also, I don't know of any requirement that it be conducted in the U.S. Do you?
 
The reg requiring a Flight Review says "in an aircraft you are rated in"
Does not specify it needs to be a U.S. registered.
Also, I don't know of any requirement that it be conducted in the U.S. Do you?

Well the reason i ask is that in order to do the BFR i have to go up with an instructor. And the question is if a FAA CFI can use other than an N-reg aircraft. Because it would fall under the other countries regulations. And therefor need to be a CFI in both countries.
 
That logic doesn't follow. As long as I have an FAA CFI, I can do a BFR in an Australian airplane in French airspace.
 
That logic doesn't follow. As long as I have an FAA CFI, I can do a BFR in an Australian airplane in French airspace.

I think you are wrong.
The only way you can fly in French airpace is if you have an EASA license.
Or fly an N-Reg aircraft in EASA airpspace, would allow you to use your FAA license.
That is why we need to convert our FAA licenses when we come back to Europe.
 
You have the answer, you just don't want to believe the answer.

On the contrary, i do believe what some say. I am actually very happy that i would be able to do it here in Europe rather to have to book a trip to the US. But with all due respect, when it come to FARs i would like to know exactly where i can refer to.
When it comes to what Chief Captain said, well that i believe to be 100% wrong. Just because you are an FAA CFI does not give you the correct privileges to operate any aircraft anywhere in the world. Local regulations take precedence.
Now if someone was CASA certified you would be able to use an Australian A/C in EASA land. If that person is also FAA certified then perhaps you would be able to do what he claimed.
 
It's a BFR!! A CFI doing an hour of ground and flight to determine if you are still suitable to operate an aircraft in THE US. Now does it really matter where its registered and where its flown? So long as you operate the aircraft according to whatever rules apply to where the flight is conducted? EASA rules apply to the airspace and to certification, not to a flight review of your US qualifications.
 
You are looking for a specific regulation that allows your scenario, and I'm telling you there are no regulations that prohibit it. Take your pick. There is no regulation that specifically allows it either.

Well i was looking to cover my ass...
I am in Europe now, trying to finish up my EASA conversions and the regulation here specify that i need to be current when it comes BFR and IPC in order to convert my CPL and IR.
So i need to either fly to the US to do it or do it locally. I don't want to break any regulations on either side of the pond.
I don't want to end up flying here for a couple of years come back to the US and have some inspector catch me on some unknown FAR regulation that i've been breaking over and over again over several years. And at the same time, i don't want to end up breaking some JAR/FCL regulations here.
That is why i asked the question about specific paragraphs in the FARs. Because then i would have had the ability to point to the place that makes me right. If there are none that is a whole other story.
 
Where are you in Europe? I know someone in the Channel Islands with a CFI and an N-reg C-172 that can do a BFR and IPC. The Channel Islands are outside of Europe so you don't need an EASA license.
 
You are looking for a specific regulation that allows your scenario, and I'm telling you there are no regulations that prohibit it. Take your pick. There is no regulation that specifically allows it either.

Back in the good old days when you could ask John Lynch for an easy to understand interpretation, he gave this one, which just uses more words, but says the same thing you have been saying:


QUESTION: May a holder of a U.S. flight instructor certificate give flight training to a holder of a US pilot certificate outside the United States, (i.e., in France)? The French Government desires a written interpretation of the FAR's.

ANSWER: Ref. § 61.3(a) and (d) and § 61.195(d); The answer is yes, a person who holds a flight instructor certificate may give flight training to a holder of a US pilot certificate outside the United States within a foreign country, and that includes in France. That is, there would be no violation of any U.S. rules over this kind of scenario. But since this training is being conducted in France, the French aviation authorities may have their own rules governing this scenario.
The only rules that even remotely address your question are § 61.3(a) and (d) and § 61.195(d). The way these rules [i.e., § 61.3(a) and (d) and § 61.195(d)] remotely address your question is that these rules cover the authority, limitations, and qualifications of a CFI, and these rules do not prohibit a CFI from giving flight training to holders of US pilot certificates outside the United States, (i.e., in France). There are no rules in Part 61 or Part 91 that prohibit it. Only in § 61.3(a) where it addresses the pilot in command legal requirements does it state: “. . . However, when the aircraft is operated within a foreign country, a current pilot license issued by the country in which the aircraft is operated may be used.” In accordance with § 61.3(a), in order for a person to act as pilot in command of a U.S. registered aircraft that the person is required to hold a valid U.S. pilot certificate or special purpose pilot authorization. However, when an aircraft of U.S. registry is being operated within a foreign country, a current pilot license issued by the country in which the aircraft is operated may be used.
Additionally, per § 61.41(a)(2), it permits the crediting of flight training given by a person who holds a foreign flight instructor certificate provided the “. . . the flight training is given outside the United States.” However, I realize your question specifically asked whether a holder of a U.S. flight instructor certificate may give flight training to a holder of a US pilot certificate outside the United States. And again the answer is yes, provided the foreign country's rules allow it. There are no FAA rules that prohibit it.

QUESTION: May a holder of a U.S. flight instructor certificate give flight training to a holder of a US pilot certificate outside the United States in a non-US registered aircraft, (i.e., in a French registered aircraft)?

ANSWER: Ref. § 61.3(b) and § 61.195(d); Yes, a holder of a U.S. flight instructor certificate may give flight training to a holder of a US pilot certificate outside the United States in a non-US registered aircraft, (i.e., in a French registered aircraft). That is, there would be no violation of any U.S. rules over this kind of scenario. But since this training is being conducted in a French registered aircraft in France, the French aviation authorities may have their own rules governing this kind of a scenario.

The only rules that even remotely address this question is § 61.3(b) and in § 61.195(d). And in § 61.3(b) the rule applies to civil aircraft of foreign registry within the United States. You are asking for an interpretation about a CFI who is giving flight training to US pilot certificate holders outside the United States in a non-US registered aircraft. There are no rules in Part 61 or Part 91 that prohibit it.

Additionally, per § 61.45(a)(2)(ii), our rules even permit an applicant to furnish an aircraft of foreign registry to be used for the practical test. However, I realize your question specifically asked whether a holder of a U.S. flight instructor certificate may give flight training to a holder of a US pilot certificate in a foreign registered aircraft outside the United States. And again the answer is yes, provided the foreign country's rules allow it. But again, there are no FAA rules that prohibit it.
 
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