Best way to study/ prep for the CFI/FOI written exams?

Heavy Haulin

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A week and half ago I finished the SE add on to my C/AMEL, and work has finally slowed down for the winter, so I am now getting ready to hit the books hard to knockout the CFI/FOI written exams. I'm also kinda trying to get my head in the game for the oral while I'm at it.

I am just curious if any one has any sage advice on the best way to tackle this. Over the last year I have amassed a decent library, which includes the latest Aviators Instructors Handbook, PHAK, AFH, AWS, etc... I have also the Gleim online ground school/ test prep for both tests.

Would it be best to read the AIH first, then do the online test prep? OR get the writtens out of the way first, then read everything in prep for the oral?????

And what about the flying? On both the CMEL/SEL I practiced talking about what I was doing during the whole checkride and I thought it went pretty well for me. Anything else I should be considering?

Thanks for your time,

Jake
 
I will be the first to recommend Sheppard Air for the FIA and FOI and a lot of people will agree. They are cheap and they work, guaranteed. Remember though, the written exams don't prepare you for all the stuff you really need to know. It would be smart to knock them out quickly and get on to the real studying for the oral.

You're going to find that all the talking you did on your CMEL and SEL will pay off big time. Talk about everything you do, driving to the airport, making a sandwich, to the point you don't want to talk anymore.


Don't forget to enjoy the process! It's fun training and the start of you professional career!
 
Well... I'll be honest, I took them both right after they were changed, and I used Sheppard Air to ensure I got a good score on what many people said was an exam very inconsistent with the source material. After all was said and done, as someone who had a good handle on the source material I was forced to admit that, yeah, the test itself was indeed focused on extremely specific examples from the book, and many of the questions were oddly phrased... and I bet even the authors and editors of the AIH wouldn't have achieved a 98% score.

I'm never comfortable recommending Sheppard Air to someone who hasn't already learned the material, as it (heavily) overemphasizes memorization ... but once you have a good handle on the actual information the test claims to test it becomes the best way to really lock in a good score.

To some degree I think we're locked in a bad cycle with the FAA written exams (and, indeed, most institutionalized pedagogy)... we want and need a good score, and the FAA wants and needs us to know the material they're testing on. The questions don't always do a good job addressing the material, and the material doesn't do a good job of addressing all the questions, and thus in addition to the material we are also forced to learn the test questions themselves. Then, to assuage our vague sense of guilt, we blame the tests as wholly inapplicable when often they're not. Sheppard Air simply takes that to its logical conclusion.

... and yet, even still, my recommendation is to learn well the source material, then use SA to lock in a good score. The test will ask you questions about assessment that it doesn't itself follow... so if you want a good score, knowing isn't enough. :p

-Fox
 
The test will ask you questions about assessment that it doesn't itself follow... so if you want a good score, knowing isn't enough. :p

Yep. I know people disagree with this but I recommend knocking out the knowledge tests with Sheppard and then digging in to the practical studying as it pertains to teaching it. A wind triangle is not going to be something you will teach your examiner for the check ride, or even an actual student. To me the knowledge tests are just a way to weed people out that are not serious.
 
Sheppard?! Sheppard!? They don't even pretend that you'll learn anything. C'mon fellas. Have more self-respect!
 
... and yet, even still, my recommendation is to learn well the source material, then use SA to lock in a good score. The test will ask you questions about assessment that it doesn't itself follow... so if you want a good score, knowing isn't enough. :p

A "good score" means very little now, other than making one suspect that you just used Sheppard... I would just save your money and take the test after studying. So what if you get an 89 instead of a 99? They may as well be a pass/fail tests. I would just get them out of the way as soon as possible to have one less thing to worry about.
 
Sheppard?! Sheppard!? They don't even pretend that you'll learn anything. C'mon fellas. Have more self-respect!
Taken the FOI recently? I have plenty of self-respect. I even mostly respect the FAA. Before I used Sheppard air, I studied the material and knew it well enough that I would have been able to pass any written test on the material that was properly written, and do it with flying colors. Unfortunately, the FOI test is rife with ambiguous, odd, out-of-context and absolute rote memorization snippets from the text, almost at random. Furthermore, to address @drunkenbeagle 's point, there are still examiners and inspectors hung up on written results, and you still have to be "corrected" by a CFI on the areas you're deficient in. The last thing you really want to do is show up with a low score and happen upon one of the inspectors/examiners who takes that as a sign of weakness.

In other words, let me refer you back to exactly what I said before.
Q: What do you think King Schools, ASA, Gleim, etc do to prepare you for the written test?
A: They teach you the f-ing questions!!! There is very little information of practical value that you learn from the King videos, and I've watched almost all of them. That doesn't mean I don't like them, mind you, but they're not teaching you how to be a pilot, how to fly instruments, how to be a commercial pilot, a CFI, an ATP... and yet they're ubiquitous. Sheppard Air takes the -exact- same approach, it just carries it to its logical conclusion. I wouldn't recommend it for the instrument written—which a solid knowledge of instrument flying should be sufficient for—but many of the FAAs question banks are fickle and ambiguous; if the writtens were simply graded "pass/fail", then there would be no need for this nonsense.

Anyway, if you're going to disagree wtih me on this, I welcome it ... but please put a little more effort in than just saying "THEY DON'T EVEN TRY, HAVE SOME SELF RESPECT."

-Fox
 
I'm now into the 3rd chapter of the AIH, and will do the Gleim test prep after. The Gleim takes a while but it works for me...

And yes I want a good score and I fully intend on getting one! :)
 
Taken the FOI recently? I have plenty of self-respect. I even mostly respect the FAA. Before I used Sheppard air, I studied the material and knew it well enough that I would have been able to pass any written test on the material that was properly written, and do it with flying colors. Unfortunately, the FOI test is rife with ambiguous, odd, out-of-context and absolute rote memorization snippets from the text, almost at random. Furthermore, to address @drunkenbeagle 's point, there are still examiners and inspectors hung up on written results, and you still have to be "corrected" by a CFI on the areas you're deficient in. The last thing you really want to do is show up with a low score and happen upon one of the inspectors/examiners who takes that as a sign of weakness.

In other words, let me refer you back to exactly what I said before.
Q: What do you think King Schools, ASA, Gleim, etc do to prepare you for the written test?
A: They teach you the f-ing questions!!! There is very little information of practical value that you learn from the King videos, and I've watched almost all of them. That doesn't mean I don't like them, mind you, but they're not teaching you how to be a pilot, how to fly instruments, how to be a commercial pilot, a CFI, an ATP... and yet they're ubiquitous. Sheppard Air takes the -exact- same approach, it just carries it to its logical conclusion. I wouldn't recommend it for the instrument written—which a solid knowledge of instrument flying should be sufficient for—but many of the FAAs question banks are fickle and ambiguous; if the writtens were simply graded "pass/fail", then there would be no need for this nonsense.

Anyway, if you're going to disagree wtih me on this, I welcome it ... but please put a little more effort in than just saying "THEY DON'T EVEN TRY, HAVE SOME SELF RESPECT."

-Fox

Fox-

Sorry if that comment came off as bit pungent. It's a sore point from a long-time, war-weary CFI who's still trying to fight the good fight.

Regarding the test: I totally understand what you are saying and I sympathize. I've probably written more letters to the FAA about their tests and sent more corrective edits to the FAA regarding their basic flight handbooks than anyone you'll meet. You are correct that about the FOI content. The FAA test question pool is "rife with ambiguous, odd, out-of-context and absolute rote memorization snippets from the text, almost at random." However, the total number of those kinds of questions found in any test is very small. Certainly not enough to fail somebody assuming the somebody knows his/her stuff. Most ironically, the FAA does a damned fine job of explaining how to write good test questions, then defies their own advice in their own tests. Ain't that a beaatch? Worst, by my reckoning, are the questions that have "correct" answers that are just simply wrong. But again, while some of that detritus remains, most of that stuff has been and is being weeded out. For unknown reasons, it may still exist in the question pool, but it rarely shows up on actual tests.

In any case, if one knows one's stuff, really knows one's stuff... to the point where one knows the theory well enough that s/he can apply it in various scenarios and questions, none of the FAA tests are that tough, and one will pass. I mean, really, how could one not? The passing score is f'rking 70%. Please.

So there's that.

On to examiners: Yes, there are some prick examiners out there, especially in your area right now, but they are the exception. Simple solution... don't use them! In your case, go out to the valley. Generally, by the time the paperwork is done, any good examiner is going to know if the applicant is going to pass the oral. You really don't think examiners understand the issues you've identified about the written test? They've likely been roping that goat for decades now. They know when to fail the guy that got 100% on the knowledge test. And they know when to pass the guy that got 80%. That's kinda the whole point of the oral. So, as an instructor, I try to make sure all my students go to good examiners. Yes, I like the tough but fair ones. But I don't send students until I know they are ready, so I never worry, and I have a 100% first-time pass rate.

I don't know much about Gleim (except that they have nicely organized curricula, but being accountants, that makes sense) or ASA (except that being from Seattle, they're probably serial killers ;)). But comparing the King Video series to Sheppard is like comparing Bernie Sanders to Bernie Madoff,; bombs to bombast; Baba Yagas and Boethius. Yeah, sure, the Kings center their instruction on the test questions, but in doing so they provide rich discussion of theory. When they tell you to answer with the wrong - but "correct" - answer, they explain WHY the question is FUBAR. Sheppard doesn't say anything. All Sheppard does is give you a bunch of ways to memorize answers completely outside of any aviation context, e.g. "If it's a question about the equation of lift, always give the answer with the biggest number." Really?! Like I said, Sheppard doesn't even pretend to impart any subject matter knowledge whatsoever. And, interestingly, their sales people give much the same explanation about why this is a "good thing" that you did.

At the end of the day, if any of the knowledge tests are really presenting somebody with an intellectual challenge, that person should likely NOT be flying airplanes. There is pretty much ZERO about piloting that is intellectually very challenging. The higher thinking begins when one starts designing aircraft.

Conclusion: Attaboy for knowing one's stuff. Attaboy for preparing for the knowledge test with a test prep kit. As long as one actually studies the material and actually knows the material, I have no problem with someone using a test prep kit. However, if one simply uses the prep kit and manages to pass the knowledge test, shame on that applicant, and I hope that applicant fails the oral so that he doesn't make the rest of look bad. Sheppard is shameless.

Also, if one can suffer through 8 hours of Martha King's voice and hair, one deserves to pass. ;)
 
Fox-

Sorry if that comment came off as bit pungent. It's a sore point from a long-time, war-weary CFI who's still trying to fight the good fight.

Trust me, I get you completely in that regard. Sheppard actually has some fairly well-written explanations of test questions in written form, similar to what you say about the Kings below. They don't emphasize it, but it's there nonetheless if you ask for it. And it's actually clear, coherent and well-written.

I actually think that the Private, Commercial and Instrument test banks aren't at all terrible. I'll go a step beyond that and say that I think that the FAA tests, in general, aren't -tough- enough. The tests seem to me to be designed to teach the material by testing, if that makes sense. IOW, they emphasize what they want you to know by ensuring that not only do you know the material, but you know it in the terms they use to describe it in. It's not an awful way to do it, but it could go a lot further... and likewise, I think the "groundschool" (including the Kings courses) that we teach pilots is fairly woeful. You can look at the FAA written tests as a list of bullet-point facts that they want pilots to know, and to be able to recite. And really, that's what they are, and nothing more.

They certainly could be, though.

Regarding the test: I totally understand what you are saying and I sympathize. I've probably written more letters to the FAA about their tests and sent more corrective edits to the FAA regarding their basic flight handbooks than anyone you'll meet. You are correct that about the FOI content. The FAA test question pool is "rife with ambiguous, odd, out-of-context and absolute rote memorization snippets from the text, almost at random." However, the total number of those kinds of questions found in any test is very small. Certainly not enough to fail somebody assuming the somebody knows his/her stuff.

I used Sheppard Air to prepare for the "new" FOI just after it became the "new" FOI. I have zero doubt that I would have passed the test, but I may have passed it with a pretty awful score. Having never scored below 90% on an FAA exam, the thought of scoring poorly on the FOI was unappealing, to say the least.

Most ironically, the FAA does a damned fine job of explaining how to write good test questions, then defies their own advice in their own tests. Ain't that a beaatch? Worst, by my reckoning, are the questions that have "correct" answers that are just simply wrong. But again, while some of that detritus remains, most of that stuff has been and is being weeded out. For unknown reasons, it may still exist in the question pool, but it rarely shows up on actual tests.

We totally agree on this, but at the time I took the FOI, the situation was far less stable.

In any case, if one knows one's stuff, really knows one's stuff... to the point where one knows the theory well enough that s/he can apply it in various scenarios and questions, none of the FAA tests are that tough, and one will pass. I mean, really, how could one not? The passing score is f'rking 70%. Please.

As I said, if the grading was 'Pass/Fail' on the test report, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

So there's that.

On to examiners: Yes, there are some prick examiners out there, especially in your area right now, but they are the exception. Simple solution... don't use them! In your case, go out to the valley.

<farnsworth>Oh my, yes.</farnsworth>

But actually, that brings me to a practical practical question: You seem to be familiar with the region I'm in, and the issues we're having with certain DPEs... the kind that seem to thrive on sending applicants home for the most minor things, then charging them full price to come back out... and I have a student who I'm grooming for his practical test. You mention the valley—do you have any recommendations in particular?

Generally, by the time the paperwork is done, any good examiner is going to know if the applicant is going to pass the oral. You really don't think examiners understand the issues you've identified about the written test? They've likely been roping that goat for decades now. They know when to fail the guy that got 100% on the knowledge test. And they know when to pass the guy that got 80%. That's kinda the whole point of the oral. So, as an instructor, I try to make sure all my students go to good examiners. Yes, I like the tough but fair ones. But I don't send students until I know they are ready, so I never worry, and I have a 100% first-time pass rate.

I do and I don't. The subject being CFI/FOI exams, I'm never sure when the person asking the question is going to go with a DPE or an FAA inspector who hasn't done a practical in years. If you look at my initial message, I'm pretty firm about knowing the material first, because I think it's critically important...

I don't know much about Gleim (except that they have nicely organized curricula, but being accountants, that makes sense) or ASA (except that being from Seattle, they're probably serial killers ;)).

They are both pretty much rote memorization of questions/answers, with a mild bit of explanation... just like Sheppard Air. They pretend to care about knowledge, but it's all directly related to the test questions, at best. At worst, it's literally just rote memorization.

But comparing the King Video series to Sheppard is like comparing Bernie Sanders to Bernie Madoff,; bombs to bombast; Baba Yagas and Boethius. Yeah, sure, the Kings center their instruction on the test questions, but in doing so they provide rich discussion of theory. When they tell you to answer with the wrong - but "correct" - answer, they explain WHY the question is FUBAR.

The descriptions, graphics, etc are really fairly minimal. Don't get me wrong, I actually DO like the Kings ... quite a lot... because they're really careful in grooming their source material. But frankly, they don't go into any real depth on anything that isn't more or less on the direct path to the test questions. I'm using them now to prep for ATP, and I also will use Sheppard Air when I'm done. Shrug!

Sheppard doesn't say anything. All Sheppard does is give you a bunch of ways to memorize answers completely outside of any aviation context, e.g. "If it's a question about the equation of lift, always give the answer with the biggest number."

Yeah... I would -never- (and I mean never) answer questions like that, never never ever ever. But for every single question in their question pool, they go through and cull out the relevant explanations from the supporting document and source material, and often add additional dialog of their own to explain any ambiguity. It's actually some of my favorite sourcing of answers from any of the test prep providers, but perhaps it just suits my preferences for lack of padding.

Really?! Like I said, Sheppard doesn't even pretend to impart any subject matter knowledge whatsoever. And, interestingly, their sales people give much the same explanation about why this is a "good thing" that you did.

Yeah, it's ... I'm really divided about SA.

At the end of the day, if any of the knowledge tests are really presenting somebody with an intellectual challenge, that person should likely NOT be flying airplanes. There is pretty much ZERO about piloting that is intellectually very challenging. The higher thinking begins when one starts designing aircraft.

I really think the FAA written exams could be a helluva lot more complex, challenging and interesting ... but it would likely weed out some people who have the money to apply political pressure to the FAA... so I dunno.

Conclusion: Attaboy for knowing one's stuff. Attaboy for preparing for the knowledge test with a test prep kit. As long as one actually studies the material and actually knows the material, I have no problem with someone using a test prep kit. However, if one simply uses the prep kit and manages to pass the knowledge test, shame on that applicant, and I hope that applicant fails the oral so that he doesn't make the rest of look bad. Sheppard is shameless.

Then we basically completely agree ... as far as I can tell, at least.

~Fox
 
For FOI, I walked through the PTS and read through the Aviation Instructor's Handbook, which follows pretty closely. Then, just took some ASA practice tests and was more than ready
 
I really think the FAA written exams could be a helluva lot more complex, challenging and interesting ... but it would likely weed out some people who have the money to apply political pressure to the FAA... so I dunno.

They are plenty difficult in Europe, I think it is overkill. They could be here too, as they are all pretty easy now. I mean, I've taken some exams that were "hard." Nothing multiple choice, with a publicly available question pool, can even remotely be considered "hard."

Not everyone that is taking an FAA written is going to be an Air Line Pilot or CFI. They guy that wants to fly a Piper Cub in circles over a farm field? Well, I'm not sure it makes sense testing topics he will never encounter.
 
They are plenty difficult in Europe, I think it is overkill. They could be here too, as they are all pretty easy now. I mean, I've taken some exams that were "hard." Nothing multiple choice, with a publicly available question pool, can even remotely be considered "hard."

Not everyone that is taking an FAA written is going to be an Air Line Pilot or CFI. They guy that wants to fly a Piper Cub in circles over a farm field? Well, I'm not sure it makes sense testing topics he will never encounter.

Don't disagree, but the testing for private and below should at least be updated to stay current with the state of the industry. For commercial and above, I just think the tests should be "harder" but less ambiguous. As @Crop Duster said: "the FAA does a damned fine job of explaining how to write good test questions, then defies their own advice in their own tests." I couldn't put that any better.

I agree that Europe is overkill. Beyond overkill. I think it's nonsense how they deal with aviation over yonder... but I think our current written testing could be greatly improved, and in the process be made more interesting ... so that a greater level of knowledge is developed, alongside a more complete understanding of the specific things that relate to that particular certificate or rating, with minimal duplication of subject matter.

'Sall I'm sayin'.

-Fox
 
I agree that Europe is overkill. Beyond overkill. I think it's nonsense how they deal with aviation over yonder... but I think our current written testing could be greatly improved, and in the process be made more interesting ... so that a greater level of knowledge is developed, alongside a more complete understanding of the specific things that relate to that particular certificate or rating, with minimal duplication of subject matter.

True. I think any real improvement in the written tests would come with much greater expense though. CFI's are free to give their students whatever tests they like. And the oral portions of the practical tests are a much better gauge of a student's understanding in my opinion anyway.
 
True. I think any real improvement in the written tests would come with much greater expense though. CFI's are free to give their students whatever tests they like. And the oral portions of the practical tests are a much better gauge of a student's understanding in my opinion anyway.

Here's the thing—frankly, right now, I see the written test, and the written test preparation that we do, as caricatures of study. I'm not saying the CFI shouldn't teach effectively, and I'm certainly not saying that the FAA tests don't measure -anything-. What bothers me is that something like Sheppard Air really can legitimately be viewed as cheating ... but only because it doesn't pretend to be anything else ... whereas the other written test preps are considered "good" and "wholesome" because they pretend to teach ... while often just presenting the material in a bullet-point format to answer the questions on the test. Either way, you're teaching the test, and either way, the value of the entire process is reduced greatly, in my eyes.

I actually didn't have much problem with the private and instrument tests, and I enjoyed learning the material. But as an instructor, I find myself teaching the material (because watching King tapes, the old standby, does not teach the student about the subjects in question to the level and depth of understanding I expect) and then referring the student to test prep software to actually learn the questions on the test so they do well. I think it's a bit silly.

I could go on, but I'm really just dancing over the same ground until it's flat and dead. ^.^ For whatever it's worth, that's mostly my point, flawed as it may be.

~Fox
 
Conclusion: Attaboy for knowing one's stuff. Attaboy for preparing for the knowledge test with a test prep kit. As long as one actually studies the material and actually knows the material, I have no problem with someone using a test prep kit. However, if one simply uses the prep kit and manages to pass the knowledge test, shame on that applicant, and I hope that applicant fails the oral so that he doesn't make the rest of look bad. Sheppard is shameless.

Do you know people that use test prep software and skip studying for the practical all together? I don't. Practical test applicants needs to be endorsed for the test by an authorized CFI. I don't know any CFIs that would sign some knucklehead off without running them through a mock check ride that produces results that show he or she can pass.

I have always separated my recommended study material for the knowledge tests and the practical tests.
 
Do you know people that use test prep software and skip studying for the practical all together?
I have always separated my recommended study material for the knowledge tests and the practical tests.

Exactly, It's those people that don't prepare for the oral that give shepp, and gleim, and ASA a bad name. They are perfectly okay, but people taking them really should know, especially for the CFI that the knowledge test does not tell you everything you need to know to become a good CFI. You're going to be a CFI, know everything inside and out. It blows me away that people don't prepare when they have all the potential questions in front of them in the PTS. Examiners will know who prepared correctly and who hasn't. It is a pretty clear distinction.

So I think that it is good advice to separate the studying for the knowledge test and practical test. That way you can really focus on the important material and not have to worry about the silly written tests when you're going to be stressing about the practical.
 
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