Bell 206 down in the Hudson

Lawman said:
That was a driving factor in the removal of touch down autos from both the 206 and the 58 training.

It’s possible for a 60 to cut off its own tail as well but you have to fly well outside normal in any of those aircraft to do so. 64s do the opposite and take the PNVS off or enter the crew canopy glass. Same thing, usually as part of a forced landing/crash sequence.


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-60 can indeed cut off its own tail if excessively hard landing or well outside normal like you mention; but worse, with the -144 installed, it crazy-easy to chop that thing off with any rotor system flex or even with aggressive aerobraking on a rolling landing. Which is why I never bothered to aerobrake.
 
FlyingAccountant said:
I just a video from a new angle and it appears he was flying straight and level and the rotor system just spontaneously separated from the aircraft.
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The main rotor mast is hollow, it’s not a solid-type structure. It’s entirely possible there could have been some kind of prior subtle damage or stress that gave way when it did. Even potentially something like a prior mild mast bump. Or even perhaps a maintenance action. All these assuming not obvious pilot input. This is why preflight of the main rotor system and tail rotor system (if installed) is imperative. Still, even with the most meticulous preflight, there can be fatigued or weakened items that might not be caught.

arkavgal said:
I'm curios if this bird has a CVR. The emergency floats for landing in the river
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Doubtful there’s a CVR, only for it being an older helo. But possibly. Maybe even an aftermarket Vision1000. The skid floats do not appear to have been deployed.
 
arkavgal said:
I'm curios if this bird has a CVR. The emergency floats for landing in the river
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I was typing this as I fell asleep and didn't finish my sentence! From what I read, the emergency floats were activated. IF that information is accurate, it makes one wonder if the pilot encountered a problem before the in-flight breakup.
 
FlyingAccountant said:
I just a video from a new angle and it appears he was flying straight and level and the rotor system just spontaneously separated from the aircraft.
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Unless the new video circulating is a different helicopter from a different time, there appears to be footage of the accident helicopter basically doing aerobatics before the thing fell apart...
 
ppragman said:
"Some of the victims survived the impact and died at the hospital" according to the reporters.
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More likely, lifesaving measures continued until they reached the hospital. This does not mean they survived the impact. The press often get this wrong.

The standard in most places is if you start CPR or resuscitative efforts, you continue until a doctor declares the patient dead.
 
ppragman said:
wildly, it wasn't for some of them. I just saw this this morning:


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"Some of the victims survived the impact and died at the hospital" according to the reporters.
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Quite possibly they were trauma codes when EMS arrived. Unless it’s a very obvious death,almost every provider is going to work a peds code all the way to the ER.


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ppragman said:
wildly, it wasn't for some of them. I just saw this this morning:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLWhhe5TLGE


"Some of the victims survived the impact and died at the hospital" according to the reporters.
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Yeah, I just read a NYT article on it that stated that two of the victims were alive when they were pulled from the water. I'm surprised anyone could have survived that initial impact. I feel for those kids though.

NYT said:
Two of the passengers were alive when divers pulled them from the water but later died, New York City’s police commissioner, Jessica S. Tisch, said at a news conference.
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Coming across several media reports saying the CA radioed in saying he was low on fuel. Must have been on company frequency because nothing was mentioned on the ATC audio…and I feel like being low on fuel doesn’t cause the mast to separate from the cabin..


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azmedic said:
Coming across several media reports saying the CA radioed in saying he was low on fuel. Must have been on company frequency because nothing was mentioned on the ATC audio…and I feel like being low on fuel doesn’t cause the mast to separate from the cabin..


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6 people in a 206, I can’t imagine he was flying with much gas to begin with.


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